1911: Thumb position makes a HUGE difference

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I've never been a fan of the 1911 before. I've always found it to be too hard to shoot, due to excessive recoil, and I've heard many old servicemen make the same complaint. This weekend, however, I had the chance to shoot one and decided to try holding it differently from my usual grip.

Until now, I have always curled the thumb of my right hand (the hand that holds the pistol and operates the trigger - I'm right handed) down until the tip of it contacts my middle finger. It just seemed the natural thing to do, and I use the same grip for autos and revolvers. Recently, however, I read Andy Stanford's book, "Surgical Speed Shooting," and in it he recommends keeping the thumb as high as possible. On the 1911 this means leaving it on the safety while shooting. When I read that, I thought it was weird and that the thumb might interfere with the slide or get pinched. On Saturday, however, I decided to try it and see what would happen.

What a difference thumb position makes! That one small change made that .45 feel like a 9mm. It became as mild and easy to control as my glock. Not only that, but it made it point as naturally, too. I tried the "shotgun test," where you close you eyes, mount the gun, and then open your eyes to see where it is pointing, where it naturally wants to point in response to your body. I've always found 1911's to point low for me before, but with my thumb resting on the safety, the slide was level and the sights were aligned or nearly aligned every time. I tried the same grip left handed as well, leaving my left thumb in the air where the safety would be, and the results were the same.

Having gotten good and proud of myself for finding this, I did some more reading Saturday night. Apparently this style of grip is widely taught, and a lot of other people know and use it. I had not heard of it before I read Stanford's book, but I don't shoot handguns a lot.

How many of you keep your thumb high when shooting a pistol? How many of you keep it low? What is the largest caliber you can shoot well? For me, with a low thumb, it used to be 9mm. I never would have guessed that such a small change would make such a big difference.
 
Yup, shooting high thumb makes a huge improvement on the 1911 experience. Find a 1911 with an undercut trigger guard, that will make it feel like the 1911 recoils even LESS!

Congrats on the 1911 light. :)
 
Another convert!

As for the ferocious recoil of a 1911, last weekend I let two kids, the oldest about 10 or 11, shoot my 1911's after some instruction. The sad part is that, like you mentioned, other "wunderguns" took over and proper technique for the best auto loading pistol ever made has fallen to the wayside. I'm glad you found the light. I'm also glad to read that they seem to fit you, as well. Go buy one and welcome to the dark side. A word of caution. They are an addiction. I've got a drawer full of 1911's and an understanding wife, thankfully.
 
Maybe this is why so many people are so emotional about insisting that the 9mm is all that anyone needs when any sensible person would choose the 10mm, or if they were nostalgic, the .45. I'm only partly joking! There has to be some explanation for the phenomenon.

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A kind trainer who was also shooting IDPA with my wife and myslef took my wife aside & showed her how to ride the thumb safety and to get a good, high grip with the off hand...& place her thumb along the frame/dustcover.

This allows her to really control her Springer & it works for my SW1911, too.
 
A word of warning, though. Make sure you're shooting a 1911 with a beavertail grip safety. Use that high hold with an old school 1911 grip safety and the hammer will tear your hand up.
 
Might be a contributing factor.

Kinda like me telling people I think .380's hurt to shoot. My wife's Sig beats me up like a playground bully! No, I'm not kidding. That thing just fits me in all the wrong ways. She loves it. Go figure. Hands do make a difference though.
 
Another advantage of that style is you can't forget to engage the safety, often heard complaint of non-manual safety gun "users", and you can't accidently flip the safety up while shooting.

Of course, the properly trained and practiced 1911 users that use a low thumb don't have that problem either. Thought I'd put that in to save 20 posts of " That's never happened to me", etc. ;)
 
I've always held my 1911's (and any other auto I've fired for that matter) VERY close to the way you describe.I cant be too smug though, it wasnt for any reason other than thats just how I did it from day 1 by coincidence and comfort.Although, I dont have my thumb actually resting ON the safety, but up touching the back edge of it.Maybe thats why I never thought 1911's really had much recoil? Sometimes it's nice to luck into doing something "right"...:)
 
"I've got a drawer full of 1911's and an understanding wife"

Man- most guys with an understanding wife don't keep them in a drawer!:p

Chuck
 
same here. my 1911 shooting got enjoyable when I did the thumb on the safety thing. It also canceled out all the hammer/tang bite frm 1911s and A1s.
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