1st Colorado Elk Hunt

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I'm planning my first Elk hunt in north central Colorado for October. What can I expect? What do I need to bring? What do I need to do to get ready? Is my .270WSM with 130gr Winchester ballistic tips enough gun? Etc,etc....Please help me out.

PS. I don't want this to turn into a caliber war about my .270 WSM. That's what I got. I can't justify to the accountant (wife) buying another firearm right now. This trip is gonna cost at least $1K anyway.

Thanks.
 
Your 270 is plenty for Elk. My grandfather used one exclusively for 30 years and never lost one.

You have a lot of home work to do but the number one thing you can start doing right now is exercising pretty vigorously. If you are already in fabulous physical shape, good. If not then you have time go get after it.


Beyond that tell us more. Are you going with a guide, where are you going. How many in your party. Will you walk in, take a horse or ride? Do you intend to camp for a week or go into and out of your game unit?
 
Right now it's in the early stages of planning. A friend of mine that is planning on going with me suggested Samuelson's outfitters. We're thinking of riding mules in and staying for a week. I guess from base camp you can go just as far as you want to hunt. Don't know how far that'll be for me unless I get in better shape.:eek:
 
There are so many variables to consider;
You: Your age, overweight or not; health, heart, honest appraisal of your physical conditioning, medications.
Equipment: Rifle, ammo, saw, knife, rope, topo map, GPS, tent, sleeping bag, food, water, cooking pots etc. An Outfitter should supply you with a list of things you must provide.
Clothing: Be prepared for any extreme, I've hunted elk in Walden at 20 below zero and hunted elk in Gunnison at 60+ degrees, all during Oct-Nov. Weather and altitude can defeat you if you don't plan properly.
Bull or cow license? it matters.
I STRONGLY recommend you take the time to scout the area for at least 2-3 days before you go.
Most of all good luck and happy hunting.
 
Your gun is more than enough, but I'd shoot a bullet that's heaver & tougher than a 130 ballistic tip. WSM velocities might blow it up before it got in deep enough. Personally I only point TSX at elk, but there's plenty of other good choices.
 
I'm planning my first Elk hunt in north central Colorado for October. What can I expect? What do I need to bring? What do I need to do to get ready? Is my .270WSM with 130gr Winchester ballistic tips enough gun? Etc,etc....Please help me out.

PS. I don't want this to turn into a caliber war about my .270 WSM. That's what I got. I can't justify to the accountant (wife) buying another firearm right now. This trip is gonna cost at least $1K anyway.

Please keep in mind that a good sleeping bag will run you more than a new gun.
It will all be dependent on if snow drives them down to lower elevations. If they are still up high, the elevation change is gonna work you over for a day or two even if your a non-smoker.
 
Please keep in mind that a good sleeping bag will run you more than a new gun.

? Where did that come from? OP never said anything about needing a $600 western mountaineering for ultralight backpacking... (For the record, I have yet to spend over a hundred dollars for a bag...)
 
our gun is more than enough, but I'd shoot a bullet that's heaver & tougher than a 130 ballistic tip

I was going to suggest the same. There are plenty of places you can shoot an elk where a 130 ballistic tip will perform just fine, but if you happen to hit bone or something then there are better choices. I'm not familiar with the WSM, but assuming bullet weights are the same as the .270 win I'd step up to a 150 grain. Barnes TSXs are great, as are Partitions, Hornady GMX, Interbonds, Accubonds, etc etc.

I took my first elk this past fall with a 168 gr TTSX out of my .308. Two shots (one in the liver and one in the neck) and the elk dropped on the spot.
 
1. Practice, Practice, Practice shooting as much as you can, and know where your bullet is going to hit at all ranges. Tape the ballistics chart to your scope for your selected bullet, and go with a premium elk hunting bullet. & take a rangefinder.

2. start hiking/ walking to get in shape. I asked a similiar question in 2011, you can read the responses I got in the two links below:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=570969&highlight=1st+elk+hunt
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http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=617239&highlight=1st+elk+hunt

3. Pre-Scout the area as much as possible. get ready for the draw, or decide if you are going OTC tag,

4. Determine what elevation you are going to hunt. try to get out there early and spend a couple nights at that elevation to acclimate a bit before the hunt.

you can read an account of my 1st time CO elk hunt here, lots of pics:http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=623905&highlight=elk+hunt

I had thought i might get by on $1000 at first, hard to do... Buy a little gear each month, and hide the receipts to slip past the accountant. - travel to and from Kansas & hunting license will cost you $1000, then food. If you go with an outfitter, the budget is blown. I was not expecting, although prepared for the cold weather & lotsa snow i encountered while out there. I wish i had practiced more long distance shooting more so than what i did. I never had a shot at less than 350 yards while i was there. Already saving for next October's hunting trip!!

You will get some good information on this forum


(edited-) Coromo - Ha HA - You beat me to it! i posted all this stuff, then saw the same posts above!. it ws too much work to delete it
 
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? Where did that come from? OP never said anything about needing a $600 western mountaineering for ultralight backpacking... (For the record, I have yet to spend over a hundred dollars for a bag...)


Because he kind of insinuated he was on a budget. Which generally means camping. Which can mean freezing your butt off with the incorrect equipment... course I could have assumed to much too..
 
The sheer logistics of getting 2 people and all the gear and supplies they would need for a week of camping on a pack mule seems incredible.

I wasn't really on a budget till I found out it would be $550 for a non resident elk tag.:what:

You guys in Colorado are proud of your elk apparently. :scrutiny:

From what I hear they're running around all over the place. Guess 'cause nobody can afford to shoot them.

But you're right, getting caught on a mountain in wintertime without the right cold weather gear would be stupid.
 
Are you bringing your own mules? If you are hiring a packer for a spike camp start sorting through your gear and ask the packer about loads for individual animals. If you are bringing your own you had better start reading and practicing your packing skills or you might be scattering your gear all the way to camp.
Start working your horses as well as yourselves. I try to walk 4 miles 3-4 nights a week all year and during the summer and or a 10mi bike ride the walk is 2 miles uphill with about a 1000' el. gain.
If you are truck camping your gear won't matter as much regarding weight but if you are packing it will matter a bunch. ATV's? they will get you back further and carry a lot of weight, especially if it rains or snows. I am not promoting hunting from one only using it to get back to a trailhead in a more efficient manner than beating your truck to hell plus in some cases it will allow you to live in an RV down near the pavement and make the 2-3 mile trip up the mountain to the prime hunting areas much faster than a jeep or truck can.
 
.270WSM with 130gr Winchester ballistic tips enough gun?

.270WSM is a minimal elk caliber but will work just fine with careful shot placment. The 130 gr BT is NOT an elk bullet go with a 140gr or better yet a 150 gr bullet in a quality controlled expansion bullet. Nosler Partition, Accubond, Trophy Bonded, or Barnes TSX, or Swift A-Frame would all be decent bullets for elk.

As far as the Nonresident Bull Elk fee goes I wouldn't complain to much. Kansas charges $322.50 for a nonresident deer tag + $102.50 for a mule deer stamp. It's expensive to hunt as a nonresident get over it.

If you think Co is expensive to hunt elk as a nonresident try New Mexico, Montana or Wyoming. You'll find that Co isn't such a bad deal after all. Plus it is the ONLY state in which abundant over the counter non resident elk tags are available.
 
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Because he kind of insinuated he was on a budget. Which generally means camping. Which can mean freezing your butt off with the incorrect equipment... course I could have assumed to much too..

Really? Being on a budget means camping? And there's a possiblity of being cold during said camping? No way! You've got me, I have to admit I was in the wrong. He needs a Western Mountaineering -40 after all. I'm sure he can afford it. My bad.
 
As far as the Nonresident Bull Elk fee goes I wouldn't complain to much. Kansas charges $322.50 for a nonresident deer tag + $102.50 for a mule deer stamp. It's expensive to hunt as a nonresident get over it.

If you think Co is expensive to hunt elk as a nonresident try New Mexico, Montana or Wyoming. You'll find that Co isn't such a bad deal after all. Plus it is the ONLY state in which abundant over the counter non resident elk tags are available.

H&H beat me to it so I'll add a bit just to drive his point home a bit

Montana NR General Big Game Combo- $912.00
Montana NR General Elk- $812
Montana NR General Deer- $542

Wyoming NR Elk (Bull)- $577 + $14
Wyoming NR Elk (Cow/Calf) $288+ $14

New Mexico NR Elk used to be like $760 + $22 App fee but that MAY have went up since 2010.

And also, as H&H said, Colorado is the ONLY state of the big 4 (with decent huntable herd count) that has tags over the counter and easily available without the draw.
 
Winchester supreme elite ammo has the xp3 bullet in 150 grain. Look em up, it's basically a solid with lead in rear. It groups about 1.5 at 100 in my Browning, but yours might like it better.

I haven't hunted elk, but it will break both shoulders and exit a whitetail.
 
.270WSM is a minimal elk caliber but will work just fine with careful shot placment. The 130 gr BT is NOT an elk bullet go with a 140gr or better yet a 150 gr bullet in a quality controlled expansion bullet. Nosler Partition, Accubond, Trophy Bonded, or Barnes TSX, or Swift A-Frame would all be decent bullets for elk.

+1. A 270 WSM wouldn't be my first choice, but it will certainly work. However, a 130 grain Ballistic Tip is too light and too frangible. Any of the bullets recommended would be a much better choice.

Other advice:

Get in shape. Climbing mountains at 10K feet in the snow is hard work.

Dress in layers. Be sure your parka is designed to let heat OUT as well as keep it in. You will be working hard and you do NOT want to break a sweat and have it freeze on your body. Trust me on this.
 
Spend some time on You Tube or the likes and learn how to process an elk in the field. Have everyone in your party carry game bags and be prepared to carry 1/4's out at least 1 mile.
Go in the woods prepared to deal with a very large animal, they don't drag well uphill.
I have seen every contraption imaginable for hauling elk come across the prairie but it gets down to cutting them up and putting them on your back or shoulder unless you have a horse.
 
I've hunted elk in the Gunnison, CO area the past three years, at ages 73-75, with my son . This is what I found -
The air at 9000 - 11,000 feet is very thin. You need to to get acclimated to it; you will tire fairly quickly. Temperatures will cover a great range within a short period of time. Your clothing should be layered so you can adapt. Start exercising your legs RIGHT NOW! Hunting in Colorado is all uphill! Practice with the rifle and ammunition you will use. Chances are you are going to be shooting fairly long distances. Most of all, prepare yourself to have about the best time of your life. It is beyond your wildest imagination.
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I've hunted elk in the Gunnison, CO area the past three years, at ages 73-75, with my son . This is what I found -
The air at 9000 - 11,000 feet is very thin. You need to to get acclimated to it; you will tire fairly quickly. Temperatures will cover a great range within a short period of time. Your clothing should be layered so you can adapt. Start exercising your legs RIGHT NOW! Hunting in Colorado is all uphill! Practice with the rifle and ammunition you will use. Chances are you are going to be shooting fairly long distances. Most of all, prepare yourself to have about the best time of your life. It is beyond your wildest imagination.
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Some of the best advice I've ever seen from an out of state hunter. You hit the nail squarely on the head MH. Thanks for your input!
 
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I've hunted elk in the Gunnison, CO area the past three years, at ages 73-75, with my son . This is what I found -
The air at 9000 - 11,000 feet is very thin. You need to to get acclimated to it; you will tire fairly quickly. Temperatures will cover a great range within a short period of time. Your clothing should be layered so you can adapt. Start exercising your legs RIGHT NOW! Hunting in Colorado is all uphill! Practice with the rifle and ammunition you will use. Chances are you are going to be shooting fairly long distances. Most of all, prepare yourself to have about the best time of your life. It is beyond your wildest imagination.
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Some of the best advice I've ever seen from an out of state hunter. You hit the nail squarely on the head MH. Thanks for your input!



+ 1 on both of these!
 
If the majority of hunters who come to the high country to hunt elk would worry less about their rifle and more about their physical ability there would be a lot more enjoyment involved in elk hunting.

The number one comment I get from guys when I bring them elk hunting in my favorite unit is "You've got to be kidding me!". It's either straight up or straight down and our base camp is just at tree line. If you aren't in good shape and I mean really good shape the enjoyment of the hunt quickly drains into physical exhaustion and frustration.

The very best thing a DIY hunter can do is start a rigorous exercise and diet program NOW so that you'll be in elk hunting shape come the fall. I highly recommend Cross Fit for a workout program. The high country of CO is no joke and it will whip your butt if you are not prepared. I live here and hunt here and it's given me a solid butt whipping on several occasions.

As mentioned above, the more fit you are the more fun you'll have and the greater chance of success. I run about an 80% success rate on elk which blows away the state average. Folks ask me what my secret is. Quite simply it's nothing more than I get farther back into stepper, deeper, nastier country than the average bear and that is where the elk are. My motto is at least two ridge lines over from the nearest road and if you look down into a deep, nasty, steep, cross fallen, hell hole that you wouldn't dream of going down into during any other time. That is the spot you need to hunt for public land elk in CO.

But you have to know your limitations too. Don't go in if you can't possibly haul something out of there. And know that you will be making multiple trips with heavy loads to do a recovery there simply isn't any other way.

(Rereading this I think I might be getting to old for elk hunting! All those painful strap biting into my shoulders, legs on the verge of collapse, lungs burning, heart trying to thump out of my chest, memories are coming flooding back to me!);)
 
Getting in shape seems to be a reoccurring message huh???
I would also add that your boots need to see some miles as well, some people have very tough feet. (I can't remember when I last had a blister)
My ex just had a serious muscle tear that required surgery and she walks for a living as well as recreation (very good shape) she was skiing with one of our sons and he said he was concerned about getting her back to the trail head. My point is bad things happen even to those you would think they wouldn't so always hedge your bets and get in shape.

Chances are you are going to be shooting fairly long distances

This is a matter of perspective but I hear it from time to time from hunters used to hunting shots under 200yds with that being the extreme. You don't need to be able to shoot to the next time zone but you should feel just as confident with a 400yd shot as a 200yd one IMO and you will have oportunities past that (know your gun and load).
Good glass and a range finder are indispensable where you can see many square miles of land.
 
H&Hhunter,
Where are you at in Colorado. That sounds very reminiscent of my deer hunts around Salida Colorado. I lived in Salida for three years and in Grand Junction for another three. When I was about 20 I shot a huge buck mule deer from about 200 feet above it on a ridge near the continental divide. It field dressed out to just under 170 pounds and took me three trips to get it out! By the time I was done every muscle in my body ached. I'm 37 now, and doubt I could ever get it done today. I can't imagine getting an elk out of there. I have the pictures somewhere, I'll look for them.
 
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