2 Dead 1 Very Critical With a .22

[usnavymasterchief]

Tampa, FL. On Friday, an enraged pychopath walked into a real estate office where his girl friend had recently been fired. He then shot and killed her former boss, very critically injured a former co-worker with two shots to the neck. He then turned his gun on himself and commited suicide.
When police asked the girl friend if her boyfriend owned a gun, she said yes, he had a .22cal handgun.
Two things come to my mind. 1. If one of the 4 or 5 people in the office at the time the nutcase walked in had a CCW permit and was armed, could this horrible event have been prevented? Who knows?
2. Think a .22 isn't lethal? Wrong!

 

[Dave T]

I've never heard anyone say they

Think a .22 isn't lethal?

. What is said often is that a 22 lacks the ability to stop an assailant. If one of the people in the office had had a CCW permit and been carrying one of those little 22 Baretta pocket guns, they might have shot this nutcase several times and he still could have continued his assault, only to die later.

Your first point is valid, the second got the question wrong.

 

[280PLUS]

shot placement,,,

not to get this old arguement going but what's that saying?

" a .22 in the eye and fights over"

a good shot with a .22 ccw may have stopped him...

 

[Mulliga]

If you get shot with high/hyper velocity hollowpoints, it's going to hurt. If someone shoots you five times with .22 LR and is any good at all, you won't be moving long.

"A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .44"

 

[Pendragon]

I think CCW is of limited value in this situation.

The guy obviously wanted to just do maximum damage and then check out.

Shoots the first people he sees and then flicks off the lights - whats a CCW going to do here? The guy is obviously not worried about dieing and you will not draw until he fires, by then person #1 is dead, by the time you are paying attention, #2 is probably under fire.

The best you could do is draw the line - so he does not try and up the body count - he sees he is opposed and decides to eat the lead before he is captured...

Bad situation.

 

[MicroBalrog]

I'd prefer me ole baseball bat...

 

[JimJD]

I saw this on the news the other day. Sad stuff.
Did'nt know it was a .22 until now.

1. If one of the 4 or 5 people in the office at the time the nutcase walked in had a CCW permit and was armed, could this horrible event have been prevented? Who knows?

Exactly, who knows. It could have gone either way.
Maybe if they had a "jewelry store" electric door lock, they could have stopped Him from entering the premises. But to some, that might look a little strange for a real estate office. Plus, He could have gotten them when they left for the day. But this is all in hindsight anyway.

2. Think a .22 isn't lethal? Wrong!

Shot placement is key with most any kind shooting. But no matter what, I and most everybody here was taught to respect all calibers , etc.
We all know any one of them can kill You dead. On the other side of the spectrum, we have all read the stories about how a round did not do the job, even with proper placement. Some of us here have even seen this in real life.
Such is the way of the speeding bullet.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Think a .22 isn't lethal? Wrong!

Amen! There are plenty of people who act as if they believed .22 caliber firearms weren't lethal.

 

[Morgan]

In the last few months alone I've seen some really strange stuff.

A guy shot in the back with a .50AE, turns out it passed fractions of an inch from the heart and aorta. He had a little blood foam at the mouth - I certainly expected homicide to be called out on that one. Later that night, I hear he's fine.

Another guy hit in the chest with a .25 (if there's a caliber worse than .22, that's it). DRT - he died before police got there, which was probably only a minute or two.

Infant shot in the head (!) with an unknown caliber handgun (probably not a mousegun, however). Not only did the little angel live, surviving a cranial shot, she's expected to be just fine.

You just never know. The best advice - don't get shot.

 

[R127]

.380's are just too small and too cheap to justify using a .22lr as a defense weapon. 9mm's are getting awfully tiny, as well. I have no doubt a .22lr can, will and has caused death, I'm sure somebody, somewhere, has taken a hit from a .50cal, bmg even, and lived. Regardless, there is much better than a .22lr to be had and no reason not to own it.

In all fairness, I have been considering a NAA Black Widow in .22mag w/ .22lr conversion cylinder. This, however, would mostly be a toy because I think they're cute and don't own a .22 of any sort. If I ever absolutely had to carry it and didn't have a .380, I would carry it with the .22mag cylinder. This would not be my only weapon, either, it would be backed up by my 4" bladed folder which I keep sharp and am quite handy with, and a hard set of knuckles that have never failed to leave an impression when called upon.

I regard all these holdout guns as a much more effective alternative to pepper spray, and I have always considered spray to be only the front line of my layered defense; a ranged attacked to soften up an opponent, similar to throwing sand in the eyes.