2 years to get a Carry Permit in California.......

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Wow, hopefully that restraining order is enough to keep that violent ex at bay.


http://www.breitbart.com/california...oncealed-carry-in-riverside-county-two-years/



Wait Time for Concealed Carry in Riverside County: Two Years

by AWR HAWKINS6 Jan 2018

The wait time for a concealed carry permit in Riverside County, California, now sits at two years.


That means a law-abiding citizen who applies for a concealed permit out of fear for his life has to find a way to survive unarmed while waiting 24 months to receive a permit allowing him to carry a gun for self-defense.
 
Back in the mid-90s, when I first received a California CCW permit, it was only good for one year. The renewal process took several months. So, both sides spent a good part of each year dealing with permitting.

They increased to valid period to two years, not for our sake, but to ease the burden of the issuers.

Never occurred to them to ease up on their investigation process. After having the permit of nearly fifteen years, they still interviewed me to make sure I was "morally fit".

You never know, maybe they'll reluctantly increase the valid period to three years.
 
Yep. That mostly, from what I've heard, been because of the huge increase in applicants overwhelming the existing number of background investigators normally tasked with CCW backgrounds.

This was especially noticeable when the Peruta case was still wending its way through the circuit court reviews, and for a while it looked like the "good cause" language might be stricken from the Penal Code. Sheriffs were literally being deluged with calls and applications. I knew of one fellow at an agency, who was responsible for receiving and processing applications, and he couldn't keep the voicemail box of his desk phone empty long enough, fast enough, to try to keep up with the continual calls leaving messages about applying for a license, the process of their application, etc. That also meant people calling him from within the agency, for everyday normal business outside of his CCW task, had to play phone tag trying to reach him, as they couldn't leave their messages, either.

I was told how some agencies tried to farm out CCW backgrounds; some brought back retired investigators per diem to do backgrounds; and some transferred staff from other assignments to do backgrounds (always a difficult option, as staffing for all assignments is often lower than needed, just normally). Hiring new people to replace other people to become trained as investigators, just for CCW processing? Expensive, and who's going to pay for those extra positions, long term, once the "rush" and backlog has been resolved?

FWIW, the 2 year waiting period length I read about in the article is probably the longest period I've heard mentioned among agencies, but I heard it mentioned for a SoCA agency over a year ago. Not surprised they're still backlogged, trying to work through their original huge influx of applicants, especially if they're still getting new applicants, on top of that.

I've heard it said that processing and doing the backgrounds would still take time, even if the "good cause" requirement is waived (or stricken), and then the mandated training requirement would still have to be fulfilled. Some agencies are still doing their own CCW training classes, but from what I've heard it increasingly sounds like more of them are farming out some, or all, of the classes to approved "vendors". That's not only going to likely cost more to the applicant (vendors are doing it to make money, even if supplemental), and take up vendor time and scheduling for the classroom training, but then there's the matter of the vendors needing to have access to public/private ranges where they can perform their qual course portions of the training classes (although some agencies may still hold their own quals). Those things are still likely to result in some extended time frames due to increased numbers of applicants.
 
Back in the mid-90s, when I first received a California CCW permit, it was only good for one year. The renewal process took several months. So, both sides spent a good part of each year dealing with permitting.

They increased to valid period to two years, not for our sake, but to ease the burden of the issuers.

Never occurred to them to ease up on their investigation process. After having the permit of nearly fifteen years, they still interviewed me to make sure I was "morally fit".

You never know, maybe they'll reluctantly increase the valid period to three years.

Last time I looked, the tier of CCW licensing since '99 has been a "standard" 2 year license, a 3 year license for judicial officers and a 4 year license for LE reserves (meaning those who weren't appointed as designated L1's, who may be granted 24/7/365 peace officer powers by the appointing authority, allowing them to carry "off-duty" on their L1 reserve ID card).

Laws can always be changed, though. Happens all the time.
 
I used to live in So California.

This is the reason a lot of people there just carry anyway without a license.

My dad used to do it. Have to go to the ATM at night in a crap part of town? Can't get a license? Just grab that S&W .38 special or AMT .380 and just take it with you.
 
In 2010 when Scott Jones became Sheriff in Sacramento County there were 350 CCW permits, now there are 15,000 issued. Was taking almost a year to issue. They recently moved to a new online system to speed up processing. Trouble is Jones is not running for reelection, he is a good cause guy. Sacramento is becoming as liberal as LA/SF now, issuing is based on the Sheriff so who knows what will happen with permits when the next Sheriff takes office.
 
... a lot of people there just carry anyway without a license ...
People adopting a "better judged by 12 than carried by 6" attitude, popular nullification of a draconian law, the corrupting influence of restrictive gun control, why can't anyone see this?

... some agencies tried to farm out CCW backgrounds; some brought back retired investigators per diem to do backgrounds; and some transferred staff from other assignments to do backgrounds ...
Spending resources on restricting the lawabiding citizen when those resources could be used to focus on productive crime and public safety programs. Canada woke up and repealed its expensive unproductive national longgun registration law, New York and Maryland woke up and repealed their expensive unproductive ballistic fingerprint database laws, maybe California will wake up, or continue to become North Mehico.

Let messico have it back
Mexican security researcher Georgina Sanchez did a report for some agency on the efficiency of Mexico's restrictive gun laws. She estimated the private gun circulation in Mexico as:
3 million legal, registered guns, with permits approved by the Mexican military
12 million unregistered military/police type guns
40 million unregistered civilian type guns
55 million total
That's how prohibitive restriction works and California is following that path.

And California gun law is my business as a Tennessean because California (Diane Feinstein in particular) want to impose California style gun control through federal legislation on everyone.
 
In 2010 when Scott Jones became Sheriff in Sacramento County there were 350 CCW permits, now there are 15,000 issued.

CCW Permits are backdoor registration of gun owners which plays into the Anti 2A's rulebook.

California is successfully ending gun ownership. The approved list for handguns has either eliminated guns that fail the test and has caused major gun makers to decide it isn't worth the expense and effort to submit their guns for testing and approval.

AR's are being effectively neutered.

Now in order to buy ammunition the person must be registered with the State.

The 9th Circuit Court is sure to agree with these restrictions.

The U.S. Supreme Court has refused to hear any gun rights case since McDonald.

I am not sure how much Chief Justice Roberts can be trusted to vote for rights of gun owners.
 
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Now in order to buy ammunition the person must be registered with the State.
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The customer background check part of the new law doesn't take effect until July 2019, if it's not successfully challenged and overturned by supposedly pending legal challenges.

The ammunition dealers who aren't also firearms dealers have received an extension for their applications to continue selling ammunition, since the state wasn't able to get things in place quickly enough.

I've visited a couple of gun stores who have been removing ammunition from customer accessible display areas, putting it either behind counters or in their storage rooms. One of them explained that customers will now have to ask for ammunition, instead of being able to handle it and examine it. Both had little problems checking for ammo I asked about, even though one of them was a big store (Bass Pro) and was in the midst of relocating their aisle and stacks of ammo from being on display.

That's similar to what I've seen in a LE distributor storefront that sells ammunition (even for LE individual officer sales), and in major stores like K-Mart & Wallmart (and it reminds me of how Gemco used to sell ammunition in the 60's & early 70's, except back then they also recorded name, ID, ammo & the stated purpose for buying ammo in their store log book).

Personally, I rather like the idea of shoppers being unable to pick up and randomly handle ammo boxes, as I've never liked finding ammo boxes with badly nail-nicked and dog-eared end flaps, and the occasional missing round from next to an end flap. I prefer the new ammunition I buy to be "new", and not having been handled, fondled and fingered by browsing customers. (I don't even like it when some "helpful" employee thinks it's necessary to open a box of ammo I'm buying, to remove a round or two, fingering it and holding it up for me to see. I'll check it myself, thanks.)
 
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It's a game the anti's play. They've been doing it here in Chicago for as long as I can remember. Their stated goal is to end private gun ownership. Not being able to do that, they make it as difficult as possible.
 
Why worry about a carry permit when you can't buy ammunition without a background check? I know there are a lot of really conservative, rational people living there but I will never be among them in residence or with my vacation money. In my opinion, the left coast of the US is lost and no longer exists.
 
Why worry about a carry permit when you can't buy ammunition without a background check? I know there are a lot of really conservative, rational people living there but I will never be among them in residence or with my vacation money. In my opinion, the left coast of the US is lost and no longer exists.

340PD is agree that part of us is lost. Unfortunately those from the West Coast and North East are infiltrating the remaining free states and changing those states to mirror where they come from. In Virginia, northern Virginia drives statewide politics and controls the elections as they have most of the population. Elect politicians who love high taxes, soft on crime, restrictive guns laws, more handouts, etc, etc,. and the rest of use have to pay the price for them. Not sure that anywhere is safe anymore.
 
Sounds like you need to do what the other side has been doing for decades.

Start a picket line carrying signs, with unflattering pictures of culpable politicians, and be organized about it, and continue daily, swapping "picket duty" till it gets fixed.
As my mother would have said, "what's good for the goose, is good for the gander".
Give them some of their own medicine.
Either we stick together, or hang separately...
 
CCW Permits are backdoor registration of gun owners which plays into the Anti 2A's rulebook.

You can't put a gun on a Sac County permit unless its already Ca DOJ registered in either your name or your spouse's so they already have the database they need.
 
Sounds like an application to the VA for benefits.

2018 makes this year 7 of my application process. NY CCW application was very easy by comparison.

California is successfully ending gun ownership. The approved list for handguns has either eliminated guns that fail the test and has caused major gun makers to decide it isn't worth the expense and effort to submit their guns for testing and approval.

New York, New Jersey, and Hawaii are very good at it as well. I know very few people in those three states that have anything more than a hunting rifle or shotgun. Little handguns or semi-automatic firearm usage. Illinois used to be the same way until it was overturned by SCOTUS. Now CCW permits in that state are climbing slowly but surely.
 
If I lived in CA, HI, NY, IL or any other state that "infringes" on my gun rights I'd move. I live in Missouri with Constitutional Carry, I gaze to the Heavens quite often to give thanks.
 
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