20mm question

[Finger]

If a guy had the proper paperwork and license, could he purchase a Mechem NTW 20mm Bolt gun? Where would one look? I was looking for an exporter and price. I was wondering if one could actually still legally buy this stuff and bring it in.

I am sure it's way out of my budget.

S/F

Finger

 

[Pigspitter]

I don't know about the legal stuff but I think you can, but where are you going to find 20mm vulcan rounds. I haven't seen those for sale....ever.

 

[AndyC]

Dunno about Mechem specifically, but here's a source for 20mm toys: http://www.anzioironworks.com

 

[buttflyzzz]

Niiiiiice

 

[CleverNickname]

Apparently, the Mechem is a South African-built firearm, so no, you couldn't legally buy one. The Gun Control Act of 1968 made all imported title II firearms illegal for sale to anyone besides the military & law enforcement agencies. That law doesn't restrict sales of domestically built firearms though, so you could buy an Anzio as shown above, or buy a foreign-built destructive device that was imported prior to 1968, like a Lahti.

 

[Kimber1911_06238]

if you want to readjust your shoulder...go for it

 

[Outlaws]

I am sure it's way out of my budget.

Those Anzio guns go for $14k +/-, but then you have to buy the ammunition. I think I recall seeing loaded rounds at $40 a pop...but brass could be had for around $20 a piece.

 

[AndyC]

if you want to readjust your shoulder...go for it

Doesn't seem quite that bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9NxHj1R04g

 

[Conqueror]

20mm Vulcan training rounds are nowhere near that expensive. I saw them for $8 a pop a few months ago.

 

[bogie]

http://www.anzioironworks.com/Anzio-Hunting-Photos.htm

Heh... Check out the scope eye on one of the hunters...

 

[mp510]

You just need to pay the $200 NFA tax and live in a state that allows private citizens to own large bore destructive devices, and get your CLEO to signoff if you apply as an individual- not necesary in most states if you use a CORP or LLC or Trust.

 

[Dan Forrester]

It can be reloaded for around $2 per round. Projectiles new in boxes of 200 are easy to find for around $200. Primers are BMG 50. New never loaded cases can be found for around $3.

Dan

 

[Outlaws]

So the 20mm Vulcan uses a different 20mm than the Lahti?

 

[Finger]

Thanks Guys

S/F
Finger

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Tony from Tromix has a lahti. I found a thread about it: http://forum.saiga-12.com
He said the lahti is a different round. I think the vulcan uses different rifling while the lahti uses standard and the diamater of the round may be different. In any case you could probably talk to tromix about getting one of those little poodle shooters if you are well-heeled I think it's the same process as getting any other NFA item. The book unintended consequences has some exciting 20mm lahti and solothurn action.

 

[Outlaws]

Here is a quote from that link. I guess the Vulcan stuff is a LOT cheaper than Lahti.

Unfortunately, that is the 20mm Vulcan round. It is a completely different cartridge then the 20mm Lahti. The Vulcan stuff is cheap since it's military surplus. There is no cheap military surplus Lahti ammo.

 

[.cheese.]

Doesn't seem quite that bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9NxHj1R04g

I watched that totally expecting the guy to go flying backwards in his chair. I was pretty surprised. I guess it's not as bad as you'd think.

 

[Wes Janson]

My understanding on the Anzio is that it's possible to purchase the rifle as a title 1 rifle without a barrel, and then fill out a Form 1 later to convert it into a DD by adding the 20mm barrel.

So wouldn't it be possible to import the NTW as a barrel-less title 1 firearm, and then DD it after it's imported?

 

[ilcylic]

Wes: I'm pretty sure that would violate some portion of 922(r) unless you replaced enough components.

 

[RyanM]

So replace some components, maybe import it with a .22 LR barrel attached if that's necessary (just to be really funny), it'd probably work, then.

At the cost those things probably run, the extra expense of swapping some stuff around wouldn't be that bad.

 

[Madmardig0n]

Dunno if anybody has seen this before, but this guy converted a 14.5mm Russian PTRD to 20mm.

PTRD to 20mm vulcan

Not quite as large as the Anzio, but still pretty cool in my book

 

[wdlsguy]

My understanding on the Anzio is that it's possible to purchase the rifle as a title 1 rifle without a barrel, and then fill out a Form 1 later to convert it into a DD by adding the 20mm barrel.

I believe this is so you can use a garden-variety Type 01 FFL instead of a relatively rare Type 09 FFL (dealer in destructive devices).

So wouldn't it be possible to import the NTW as a barrel-less title 1 firearm, and then DD it after it's imported?

I think you'd have a hard time convincing BATFE that an NTW minus the barrel was "particularly suitable for sporting purposes". Even then, you'd need to play the 922(r) compliance parts game, as ilcylic mentioned.

 

[HankB]

Last time I was there, a local dealer had two 20mms for sale . . . a bolt gun and, IIRC, a Solothurn.

$28k for the latter . . .

 

[Dan Forrester]

An 07 FFL can transfer 2 DD per year. Most 07 FFL don’t know this however. If you look at a piece of Lahti brass it is belted, while Vulcan ammo is straight. Complete shooter Lahtis go for around $5-6,000. I saw one a couple months ago in the 3K range being sold as a title 1 firearm with all parts except a barrel.

20mm Lahti seems a lot like the British .55 Boyes cartridge. It was only used in the role of an anti tank gun and quickly became obsolete. While the .50 BMG round was and still is classified as an anti tank round, it has been chambered and used as a general purpose anti material weapon. Same thing with the 20mm Vulcan. A general purpose light cannon round sued for all kind of applications.

A friend and I are thinking about picking up one of these Anzio 20mm for graduation presents to our selves. I’m torn between this and a RAMO Defense M2HB. We’ll probably drive over there this winter and take a look at his 20mm.

Buying one of these things in no big deal. It’s about as complicated as getting a CWP. If you can pass the background check to buy a glock there’s no reason you cant buy one of these or bigger. Go check out James Degrotes 90mm anti tank gun. I think he wants 30K for the thing. There are multiple videos of him firing the gun at Knob Creek, and out in the desert.

Dan

 

[revjen45]

"20mm Vulcan training rounds are nowhere near that expensive. I saw them for $8 a pop a few months ago."
At 50 rds/sec that's $400/sec. Since spool-up time is about .4 sec maybe a bit less if you could exercise super-human fire control. More fun than I can afford.
I remember in my youth seeing Lahtis advertised for sale through the mail for about $120 + shipping (original wood case included) and ammo @ about $1.00-$1.25/rd. Yeah, I'm that old.