.22 bullet from 1 mile away?

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I think the fact that the path of the bullet wound would have required him to be standing on his head when the golden BB got there STRONGLY suggests that the wife knows exactly how that .22 bullet got there and it didn't come from the range, the hundred acre wood or anywhere else off the property: much more likely it came from that chromed .22 auto in her purse while the lazy SB was asleep in the shade in the back yard. Just sayin', I mean it is Houston.
 
Definitely a centerfire .22. Numbnutz shooting over the berm
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How do you know this - do you have any privileged insight into the investigation? Or are you simply guessing and putting it out that as some form of fact?
 
If by "we checked" they mean "we looked at a box in the store," then yeah. Most/all of my .22 bricks (I know Remington does) have wording on them to the effect that the rounds will travel up to one mile. Which is, of course, a bunch of CYA poppycock, but poppycock sells papers...
 
for a bullet so light to travel that distance and still be able to kill... that would require a vacuum as at a mile it's almost certainly slowed to it's terminal velocity.
 
In post #68, there is a link to a news video on the story. They show some x-rays, and in one you can see a bullet. It certainly doesn't look like a 22 LR bullet. Looks like a center fire rifle bullet to me.

HOWEVER, given the news media are what they are, we can't say for sure that those x-rays are from this shooting case, can we?

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"How do you know this - do you have any privileged insight into the investigation? Or are you simply guessing and putting it out that as some form of fact?"


Absolutely a guess. Having been to "several" ranges over the last 40 years and watching the "shooters", I'll put my wager here. Thanks. Joe
 
Absolutely a guess. Having been to "several" ranges over the last 40 years and watching the "shooters", I'll put my wager here. Thanks. Joe
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LOL, they haven't even determined which direction the bullet came from, that it didn't come from the nearby field, and the bullet can't be removed from the victim, but you are willing to wager it came from the particular range because you have been to ranges over the last 40 years. That is a pretty safe wager given that there isn't likely to be any resolution as to the origin of the bullet. The opposite wager would be safe as well.
 
I shoot a 600 yard grass strip airport with a 22 LR to control prairie dogs.

One in a while we take real long shots to see how close we can get by watching the dust kickups.

We have a heck of a time getting any dust past 500 yards.

So I have a hard time with one going 1760 yards. And I have searched the net for definitive range for the 22LR, and I find little info.

Now, Rimfire Central had a guy show penetration damage on turkey carcases at 300 yards and it was to center body and more.

But a 22 can do some long shots:

I did put a prairie dog on his back and had him doing a break dance for about 3 minutes with my 22 Marlin 60, and he lasered 347 yards... he was lined up the bottom curve of the objective ring. He was measured from the blood spot back to the support vehicle.
 
One clear fallout from this situation is that GPSR no longer allows offhand rifle shooting, as of 01 September 2010. All rifles must now be operated while supported on a bench.
 
Lets say hypothetically, the bullet came from the range. why would the range be responsible? Why not the person that let one loose over the berm? Personally, if I let a round loose and it hit someone, while not liking it I would accept responsibility. I have to think that for this to go forward, they must prove that it came from the range, and who fired it. With the bullet still in the person, all this is up in the air, and like mentioned on an earlier post, this is a grab for money. I do have empathy for the person who was hit, but they have a long way to go in my opinion blaming the range. If you buy a house downrange from a rifle range, in my opinion you are willing to accept a stray bullet occasionally. If you were not made aware, you may have an issue with your developer. Rampant development has been going on a long time in this area, years ago they built a lot of very expensive houses in a known approach to DFW airport, and then whined about the noise until the aircraft were forced into a convoluted approach path (just what an aircraft needs when the weather is bad). It is my opinion, the developers who built this neighborhood are every bit as guilty as the range is. If it came from the range, the person who fired it is guilty, whether he meant to go over the berm or not.
 
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does line up right nice with a line projected from the range though and if they do have other damage evidence as his lawyer claims ie damaged power lines this is a case i'd not let a jury have
 
Lets say hypothetically, the bullet came from the range. why would the range be responsible? Why not the person that let one loose over the berm?
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The person who did the shooting should be held responsible assuming that somehow the range wasn't at fault. The range has a responsibility to make sure, through reasonable accommodations, that fired rounds do not leave the range.

Given that the shooter is unknown, the range is the obvious target of any legal actions. In the video, the lawer for the victim appears to be building an argument that the range has not made reasonable accoommodations as there is an apparent history of rounds leaving the range and causing damage.

If you buy a house downrange from a rifle range, in my opinion you are willing to accept a stray bullet occasionally.

Rampant development has been going on a long time in this area, years ago they built a lot of very expensive houses in a known approach to DFW airport, and then whined about the noise until the aircraft were forced into a convoluted approach path (just what an aircraft needs when the weather is bad).
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I understand that this is your opinion, but in the same light if you buy a house near an airport, should you also be willing to accept a stray crashing airplane occasionally? The victim in this case isn't complaining about the noise.

It is my opinion, the developers who built this neighborhood are every bit as guilty as the range is.
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So the developers are just as guilty for building houses near the range because somebody at the range messed up or because the range didn't have suitable backstops?

I am sorry, but it is crazy to put the blame on folks down range from the GPSR because they built, live, or otherwise are present for miles down range from GPSR. So if a gun range allows for the .50 BMG to be fired, then anything within about 4.6 miles would be considered down range and within the zone for which everyone present is responsible. Not only would the area being in a straight line from the gun range, but in an expanded cone area down range as not all the shooters are going to be shooting in exact alignment with their targets. That would mean that a tremendous amount of land not owned by the gun range would therefore be encumbered by the gun range as a possible impact zone. Assuming a possible 20 degree possible field of fire, that would mean that 3.6 square miles fall within the encumbered impact zone. At 10 degree possible field of fire would still encumber 1.8 square miles.

So what legal right would the gun range have for encumbering property not owned, leased, or otherwise controlled by it?

The gun range may not be at fault in the sense that they may have made reasonable accommodations to make sure fired rounds don't leave the range, but simply being a gun range doesn't automatically exclude it from responsibility and liability.
 
I understand that this is your opinion, but in the same light if you buy a house near an airport, should you also be willing to accept a stray crashing airplane occasionally?


This is kind of my point. If you build a house in the airport approach, what right do you have to complain about noise, or aircraft going over your house at low altitudes? My point is as we grow our cities into the country, what point does the country have to let go? Some people 30 years ago built in the country, and the city caught up with them. Anyway it doesn't look good for the range, at least legally. If I remember correctly, this range already moved once several years ago.

I agree, bullets got to go into the berm.
 
The victim in this case isn't complaining about the noise from the gun range. He is complaining that he has been shot. Noise from a gun range or airport may be bothersome but not lethal. We aren't talking about a bothersome complaint.

So I ask again, should the owner of a house near an airport be willing to accept the occasional stray crashing airplane? You stated specifically that such owners should be willing to accept stray bullets impact their properties, so why not be accepting of airplanes crashing as well?

Why should residents located down range from a gun range have to give up their safety? Why should they not expect the gun range to keep lethal projectiles within its own borders?
 
Well, of course, they just meant: provided the bullet doesn't laterally S-curve or go shopping on the way. ;-)
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Well, that's mighty rude of it...I appreciate when my bullets leave a little something for me at their destination....gifts for the free travel. Last time I got a nice piece of paper with some holes in it. Sure it wasn't the greatest of gifts, but it's the thought that counts.

Optimal range vs max range are two different figures...optimal range is where accuracy is still achievable. Max range is simply the furthest a projectile can travel.
 
I shoot rifles at GPSR at least three times per month and would hate to see them shut down due to a negligent shooter. About three years ago the range closest to my house finally succumbed to pressure and allegations of lead seapage into area lake.

The range is opened from 10am-8pm and does have a decent berm, but anyone can easily launch a shot over it. It has a shaded cover over the benches, but does not have an overhang to prevent elevated shooting. It also has a substantial power line than runs at an angle past the berm. The local news made sure to mention these facts. I hope GPSR can adapt to and overcome this problem because I would hate to see them close.
 
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