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.22 cal, low noise loads

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Picknlittle, Feb 23, 2008.

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  1. Picknlittle

    Picknlittle Member

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    I live in a sparsely populated residential area that is more woods than houses. We border on farmland and do hunt some in these woods. I mostly bow hunt, but would like to squirrel hunt with a .22 rifle. I'm looking for low noise, sub sonic loads. I'm not expecting an air gun "pfft", but something that won't alarm neighbors.

    There are sub sonics in both long rifle and shorts, but I wonder about the difference in noise between them

    Any help?
     
  2. CBS220

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    Get the long rifle subsonics. They aren't that loud and they don't carry the noise far. In addition, they will cycle semiautos. I like the Remington Subsonics because they are cheap, and accurate enough for $2.25/50.

    If you need air-gun quiet from your .22, look at Aguila's Colibris and Super Colibris. CCI's CB caps are about as quiet, but more powerful and cost much more.
     
  3. Vermont

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    I wouldn't get the Aguila Super Colibri .22LR. They are powered by the primer only and they should be used only in handguns because the bullet may get stuck in the bore of a rifle.

    I got some by accident because I didn't read the warning on the Midway website. Fortunately I went back and read it after I saw on the box that they had no gunpowder. I didn't fire any so I can't say what the chances of it getting stuck are, but I wouldn't chance it. The non-super Colibri might work for you though.

    Sorry I can't help you with the long vs. short question.
     
  4. ScottsGT

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    I have an old Savage bolt action .22 that I have used CB shorts/subsonics in and it sounds like a high power pellet gun. Just becareful, don't aim for squirrels up in trees. If you miss, you have no idea as to where that bullet is going to land!
     
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    I'm not sure if that's a myth or what, but I've fired many, many bricks of SC with no problems from both rifles and handguns.
     
  6. JoeG52

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    For what it is worth, the CCI cb caps don't have powder either, just a primer. I suspect that is what all cb caps have.
     
  7. goon

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    The Wolf Target loads are very quiet and accurate in my CZ-452.
    They're quiet enough that the bullet hitting the squirrel seems as loud as the actual firing.
     
  8. Ratshooter

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    Hate to tell you this JoeG52 but the CCI cbs do have powder in them. I just cut one open and checked.

    If you want to shoot Colibri loads use the Super variety. Make sure they come out of your barrel. I had one stick in an old remington with a 24" barrel.

    They seem to work OK in a 10-22 barrel but don't have a lot of power. The best way i have found to get quiet shooting is to use your longest barreled rifle with the CB 22s. A 24" barrel really cuts down on the report.
     
  9. Starter52

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    We use thousands of CCI Target Shorts each summer at camp. They are both quiet and accurate.

    The CCI target short is more powerful than the CB-style shorts. They will take care of squirrels if you do your part.

    You might want to try the target shorts. Don't go with the Hi-Velocity shorts. They are not subsonic from a rifle barrel and are quite a bit louder.
     
  10. 627PCFan

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    I use Agiala SSS 60 grains. Shoots more accurate than any standard velocity 22, and is quiet enough for me not to be nervous about-
     
  11. U.S.SFC_RET

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    CCI sells a nice salve that goes on and stops the pain and swelling when the neighbors are around. At about 710 Feet per second they make the pain go away. I hate squirrels, especially when they get into attics, cars, boats ect..
     
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  13. 230RN
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    I suspect the 60 gr SSS bullet (post # 12) would go too far in the case of a miss, and still be dangerous when it came down. The 20 gr bullet from the Aguila Suoer Colibri sans poudre rounds would not be as dangerous. It is about the equivalent of a #4 buck pellet. Probably not fun to get hit with, but the 60 gr SSS is about the equivalent of 00 Buck pellet, weight wise.

    I found the first shot of the SC sans poudre rounds got stuck in a well-worn 18" Remington Nylon 66 bolt rifle barrel, but I ramrodded it out and ran a Boresnake through the rifle and all the rest (about twenty rounds) went through OK.

    With a 25" barreled Reminton 512, no shots stuck in the barrel (about 10 rounds) but by then I had gotten smart enough to run a Boresnake through the barrel before trying it.

    Both these rifles are "well broken in," having had thousands of rounds through them, so the barrels are pretty smooth by now.

    The 60 gr loads seem to have fair accuracy out of my Ruger MK II pistol and do cycle, but have a tendency to not feed well.

    The 20 gr loads shot about 3" to the right out of the Nylon 66 at about 30 feet. It is not impossible that this was because the rifle lost its zero at some point in transporting it. Penetration was anywhere from 150 to 200 pages of dry telephone book. Group was about 2", but the scope was not focused for this distance. I cannot find the target for the same loads out of the Remington 512, so I can't give any sighting information on the 20gr loads in that rifle.

    In a pistol, even the Super Colibri sans poudre loads give a substantial report... enough to make one's ears ring indoors.

    Out of the 25" barrel, the firing pin click is louder than the report, although the little 20 gr bullets do make a smack when they hit telephone books. The 18" Remington makes a moderate "pop," not enough to disturb anyone.

    I am pleased to note that the Telephone Company recently was generous enough to leave more free indoor backstop material at my front door for future, more comprehensive, testing
    --Terry
     
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  14. ColinthePilot

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    I've shot some of the CCI cb's out of a Ruger 96/22 in .22LR (ruger's site lists the 96/22 as .22WMR so I'm not 100% on the model number.) My friend had a raccoon problem, but his neighbors are pretty close and didn't want to deal with them, so we tried some out, firing into a hill behind his house. It was no louder than my Daisy.
     
  15. PointOneSeven

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    I popped a squirrel with a remington subsonic round. Went right into the shoulder and didn't exit. Pretty clean kill, and was pretty quiet. A few pops through a rifle won't wind anybody up with those.
     
  16. BackCountry

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    I use the Aguila SSS for shooting beaver in our neighborhood. They work effectively and are quiet. I used to use #4 Buck shot, but in recent years we have had retired Californians (some with wifes from other countries) move into the area. They get upset at the shotgun blasts at dinner time - I told them to move back to California if they don't like Colorado traditions. The problem with the .22lr is that the beaver come out only at night (they are very destructive to our trees and water rights/irrigation) and I can not see my iron sights when they are finally out. My solution was to switch to my AR-15 with red dot or illuminated reticle sights and a weapons mounted light. I hand load 55 gr. .224's with 2.5 gr of Green Dot. This gives a sub sonic .22 round that makes almost no noise and destroys beaver. These won't cycle the gas operated system of the AR but are very accurate and don't disturb the neighbors.
     
  17. rcmodel

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    It should be noted that these bullets are way too long to stablize in most standard twist .22 LR barrels.

    I tried them in a Ruger 10/22, a Winchester 62A, and a Browning .22 Auto rifle, as well as a Colt Woodsman pistol, and they key-holed at 30 yards out of all four guns.

    Shoot'm if you like, but try them on paper at 25 yards and see what the results are first.
    I bet you will be disappointed!

    That's lawyer COYA speak.
    I have used both Colbri & Super Colibri for function test ammo for about 10 years now in the shop.
    That includes shooting them through every type of old & new .22 rifle, including some Winchester 1890's & 06's that had bores that looked liked an old stove-pipe.

    I have never yet had one stick in the bore on any rifle.

    Perhaps if you had a 32" long barrel or something, maybe?

    rcmodel
     
  18. JoeG52

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    Ratshooter,
    I've pulled CCI cb caps apart and there is no powder, just a heavy priming. The ones I have are about 10 - 12 years old, maybe they changed?
    I also have some remington cb caps, haven't pulled any of those open yet.
     
  19. C96

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    CCI used to make both a "target" short and a non "target" short. The "target" short was quieter than the non target version in my BL22. I didn't notice any power difference but I didn't look for any. So my experience is a bit different than Starter52's experience. I also used a few RWS target shorts, expensive and hard to find. If you shoot some .22 Bullseye you may run into the RWS if it is still around.

    My BL22 would handle the shorts quite nicely and was quite accurate to twenty yards or so. Lots of shorts will produce the need to do some serious chamber cleaning, just part of the fun, right ?
     
  20. Ratshooter

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    Hey JoeG52 how you doin'. The CCI Cbs i used are marked 22 CB. These are in a plastic 100 round count box bought at Wal-mart for $4.37. I've had them a while. In typical CCI fashion they don't telll you anything past that.

    Maybe we are lookin at two different loadings? If you find out something new then please post it. I love quiet ammo. Its surprising how usefull this stuff is. Thomas.
     
  21. C96

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    Went to CCI's web site and they list:

    0026 22 Short CB 29 LRN 710 fps muzzle
    0027 22 Short Short HV 29 GLRN 1080 fps muzzle
    0028 22 Short Short HP 27 GLHP 1105 fps muzzle
    0037 22 Short Short Target 29 LRN 830 fps muzzle

    They say that their part 0026 has the same specs as their 22 CB Long, part # 0038 and refer to those parts as their low noise ammo of choice.

    Now all you have to do is figure out how to get some for trying. Some of those will be hard to find.

    allan
     
  22. chris in va

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    Supressor.
     
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    I'm going to have to call bs on the Super Colibri's getting stuck in a rifle barrel. I use them quite often from a Springfield 87A and it's the longest .22 I own and I've shot several hundred through it with not one getting stuck. And the great thing about them is when fired they sound like a fart in the wind.

    I'm not saying that they absolutely won't get stuck, but it's never happened to me in that gun. The only other gun I've fired them out of was a single six.

    -John
     
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    "It should be noted that these bullets are way too long to stablize in most standard twist .22 LR barrels."

    if your shooting them in a handgun forget it. Some slow twist rifle barrels wont work either-

    "I suspect the 60 gr SSS bullet (post # 12) would go too far in the case of a miss, and still be dangerous when it came down."

    Word to the wise, 60 grainers bounce and richochette horribly if you don't hit what your aiming at.
     
  25. Picknlittle

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    Thanks a bunch folks,...lots of good recommendations.
     
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