.22 conversion kit vs new .22
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Myself I rather have another gun if the conversion kit will cost the same.
However the kits do have some propose. One is cheaper training with the same feel as your main peice. The other is if you live in an area where it's legally hard to buy a handgun.
-Bill
However the kits do have some propose. One is cheaper training with the same feel as your main peice. The other is if you live in an area where it's legally hard to buy a handgun.
-Bill
CZFreak
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I got a conversion for the Glock19; it was ok, but what I really wanted was a 22 auto; bought the S&W 22A for less than $200 at Gander Mtn. much more fun to shoot and I think more accurate!
farscott
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As someone who once owned a CZ 75B and the Kadet kit for it, you can get a Ruger Mark II for $250. The CZ 75B is a great pistol and the Kadet kit makes it better, but the purpose-built Mark II is amazing.
Vern Humphrey
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By and large, a dedicated .22 pistol will be a better shooter. There are exceptions, but most conversion kits aren't quite as good.
I have two .22 kits for the M1911 -- a Ciener and an old Colt Service Ace. Of the two, the Ciener is a plinker, the Service Ace, with it's target sights and floating chamber is slightly more accurate than my Ruger MKII Standard Model.
I have two .22 kits for the M1911 -- a Ciener and an old Colt Service Ace. Of the two, the Ciener is a plinker, the Service Ace, with it's target sights and floating chamber is slightly more accurate than my Ruger MKII Standard Model.
HighVelocity
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I have an Advantage Arms 22 conversion for my Glock 22. I like it and it's fun to shoot BUT, my Browning Buckmark is miles ahead in the accuracy department.
I usa an AA conversion for a Glock 17. It has about the same accuracy as the Glock shooting 9mm. All parts are the same making it the next best thing to shooting the Glock with 9mm. But I can shoot ten times the rounds for the same money.
For cheap easy practice using your CCW it cannot be beat. All depends on your main purpose for this.
However, if you just want a neat shooting 22 pistol for fun. The same money probably gets you a better trigger, and accuracy for about the same money. You might look into the Beretta NEOS. Should be able to get one for around $200 or so. Seems well made, and accurate. Has a different grip angle, might or might not suit you.
For cheap easy practice using your CCW it cannot be beat. All depends on your main purpose for this.
However, if you just want a neat shooting 22 pistol for fun. The same money probably gets you a better trigger, and accuracy for about the same money. You might look into the Beretta NEOS. Should be able to get one for around $200 or so. Seems well made, and accurate. Has a different grip angle, might or might not suit you.
Sprout
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I really like the Kadet. I tried a Buckmark, Buckmark target, MKII, MKII competition, and a S&W M41. I liked the Kadet more than all of the others, except the 41.
Plus, if you get a trigger job or grips for your CZ, you automaticaly get the exact same upgrade for your Kadet. My $0.02.
Plus, if you get a trigger job or grips for your CZ, you automaticaly get the exact same upgrade for your Kadet. My $0.02.
gunhog1950
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kadet ??
I have been thinging of another 22lr plinker,but one of my ccw s is a CZ75D compact PCR do the kadet conversions fit that model? I went to the shop to Check out a Smith 22A or 22S and fell onto a Ruger MKII 10" with volquartsen grips and bomar sites, excomp gun for $260.00 so my cheapy beater plinker is on the back burner. The plus of the kadet would be i could practice with the ccw gun cheaper,but would not fit the catagory of a cheap beater..if the accuracy on the conversions is lacking . that would decide for me....I'm the new boy on here so throw it at me..."boy" yea i wish.--J im--
I have been thinging of another 22lr plinker,but one of my ccw s is a CZ75D compact PCR do the kadet conversions fit that model? I went to the shop to Check out a Smith 22A or 22S and fell onto a Ruger MKII 10" with volquartsen grips and bomar sites, excomp gun for $260.00 so my cheapy beater plinker is on the back burner. The plus of the kadet would be i could practice with the ccw gun cheaper,but would not fit the catagory of a cheap beater..if the accuracy on the conversions is lacking . that would decide for me....I'm the new boy on here so throw it at me..."boy" yea i wish.--J im--joeyt
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The .22 kit for my BHP seems like a great idea to me. Any one tried the Ciener conversion kit for this gun? Any problems with the staggered magazine? It is a 15 round mag so I imagine it has to be staggered. I was about to order the one for my Kimber when I spotted this one on the Ciener web page.I don't shoot my Browning HP as often as I would like and this seems like a good reason to get one. Anyone try one? joeyt
The .22 kit for my BHP seems like a great idea to me. Any one tried the Ciener conversion kit for this gun? Any problems with the staggered magazine? It is a 15 round mag so I imagine it has to be staggered. I was about to order the one for my Kimber when I spotted this one on the Ciener web page.I don't shoot my Browning HP as often as I would like and this seems like a good reason to get one. Anyone try one? joeyt
gunhog wrote:
" I have been thinging of another 22lr plinker,but one of my ccw s is a CZ75D compact PCR do the kadet conversions fit that model?"
The Kadet Kit certainly DOES fit the compact models. It sits atop my PCR all the time. Works great.
" I have been thinging of another 22lr plinker,but one of my ccw s is a CZ75D compact PCR do the kadet conversions fit that model?"
The Kadet Kit certainly DOES fit the compact models. It sits atop my PCR all the time. Works great.
gunhog1950
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Pcr /22
PILOT, Did you need to do any fitting and how accurate is it on your PCR.--Jim--
PILOT, Did you need to do any fitting and how accurate is it on your PCR.--Jim--gunhog wrote:
"PILOT, Did you need to do any fitting and how accurate is it on your PCR"
Hi Jim. The Kadet Kit did not need any fitting on either my 75B nor PCR. It is actually a llittle more accurate for me on the PCR as the trigger is lighter, more like a .22's trigger. The PCR seems to have lighter springs or more trigger work. I like the Kadet Kit more on the PCR, but the mags do stick out slightly from the PCR grip, but that's not an issue. They mags fit flush on the 75B. The Kadet Kit will also fit the steel compact models.
"PILOT, Did you need to do any fitting and how accurate is it on your PCR"
Hi Jim. The Kadet Kit did not need any fitting on either my 75B nor PCR. It is actually a llittle more accurate for me on the PCR as the trigger is lighter, more like a .22's trigger. The PCR seems to have lighter springs or more trigger work. I like the Kadet Kit more on the PCR, but the mags do stick out slightly from the PCR grip, but that's not an issue. They mags fit flush on the 75B. The Kadet Kit will also fit the steel compact models.
Walt Sherrill
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I'd argue that it really depends on WHY you're buying the .22.
If you shoot competitively, having a .22 conversion kit lets you shoot/practice with your regular gun far more cheaply. One trigger pull, same weight, same gun, in effect, with a smaller bullet.
If you're just plinking, a stand-alone .22 is great.
There are some conversion kits that are BETTER than stand-alone guns, but most of them aren't. (The Marvel conversion for 1911s is phenomenally accurate; they advertize 1/2" groups at 50 yards.)
My CZ Kadet Kit was virtually as accurate as my Ruger Target Competition slabside. It was so accurate, in fact, that I traded the Ruger for a Witness Sport Long Slide. After some work the Sport Long Slide has proved to be a superior gun.
Decide WHY you want a .22 and go from there.
If you shoot competitively, having a .22 conversion kit lets you shoot/practice with your regular gun far more cheaply. One trigger pull, same weight, same gun, in effect, with a smaller bullet.
If you're just plinking, a stand-alone .22 is great.
There are some conversion kits that are BETTER than stand-alone guns, but most of them aren't. (The Marvel conversion for 1911s is phenomenally accurate; they advertize 1/2" groups at 50 yards.)
My CZ Kadet Kit was virtually as accurate as my Ruger Target Competition slabside. It was so accurate, in fact, that I traded the Ruger for a Witness Sport Long Slide. After some work the Sport Long Slide has proved to be a superior gun.
Decide WHY you want a .22 and go from there.
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I have the Ciener kit for the Beretta 92fs. It is very reliable, just as good as my MKIIs. It is not as accurate by a long shot as a Ruger MKII but that is not the reason for the kit. It is designed for cheap target pratice with your larger cal gun.
If all you want is a cheap .22lr to shoot, you will be better off with a Ruger MKII or something along those lines. They will be about the same money and mags are much cheaper for them. A Ruger MKII mag costs about $15-20 where a Ciener mag costs $35-45. This adds up because it is good to have a bunch of mags in a .22lr because it is more fun to shoot them than to load them. I like to have 5 mags for my .22lr pistols because I can put an entire box of ammo in them.
The Ciener kit in the Beretta is more fun to shoot than my Ruger MKII. There is just something cool about shooting a Beretta in .22lr!
If all you want is a cheap .22lr to shoot, you will be better off with a Ruger MKII or something along those lines. They will be about the same money and mags are much cheaper for them. A Ruger MKII mag costs about $15-20 where a Ciener mag costs $35-45. This adds up because it is good to have a bunch of mags in a .22lr because it is more fun to shoot them than to load them. I like to have 5 mags for my .22lr pistols because I can put an entire box of ammo in them.
The Ciener kit in the Beretta is more fun to shoot than my Ruger MKII. There is just something cool about shooting a Beretta in .22lr!
deputy tom
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IMHO,buy the second gun.Both up and running at the same time.tom.
TooTaxed
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Bought my Kadet conversion to gain cheap practice with my .40 CZ-75B...same feel and trigger pull. It's more accurate than the .40, uses both target and hi-vel ammo reliably, and is so much fun I haven't converted back! I've bought another CZ-75B in 9-mm...haven't tried, but maybe I can switch that back and forth with the .40...
The Kadets are made with a protruding stud on the slide that rides on the frame...instrucions say to carefully file the stud just until it slides freely...thus the rather good accuracy.
I also have the EAA conversion on an EAA .45, and the cheaper Marvel conversion for my 1911A1...both are only for hi-vel ammo and both give me a lot of jams, regardless of cleaning, ammo brand and even with 40-grain bullets. Phooo... :banghead: .
I also have a Ruger Mk II SS that gives me a lot of stovepipe jams...guess I just have bad luck with .22's!
The Kadets are made with a protruding stud on the slide that rides on the frame...instrucions say to carefully file the stud just until it slides freely...thus the rather good accuracy.
I also have the EAA conversion on an EAA .45, and the cheaper Marvel conversion for my 1911A1...both are only for hi-vel ammo and both give me a lot of jams, regardless of cleaning, ammo brand and even with 40-grain bullets. Phooo... :banghead: .
I also have a Ruger Mk II SS that gives me a lot of stovepipe jams...guess I just have bad luck with .22's!
dc2wheel
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I'd personally go for a new gun. I've had nothing but great accuracy & flawless reliability from my Mark II, and also just picked up a Walther P22 for a great deal. Not super accurate, but can be dressed up with fun things [fake silencer in photo] and is great for getting newbies familiar with regular semi-auto controls & function.
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