.22 for my 13 year old SR-22 M&P 15-22 or 10/22

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I'm looking for a .22 for the boy and I. I guess I bought the big guns first but am getting into the plinkers now.

He's 13 - a little small for his age. I was going to grab a 10/22 lam from Davidson's but strted considering an AR-style. I've seen the M&P and SR-22 in pics only.

I think the advantage of the adjustable stock is a plus. Should I go with the M&P, SR-22, or regular 10/22? I want to stay semi or I'd get a CZ. Would like to stay under $500 and accuracy is important. Don't care if it has AR controls. If I go with the 10/22 I'd change the trigger but would not want to change much else.

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I strongly urge you to consider the SIG 522. I love mine, my 11 year old wants it all to himself. Never had the first FTF or FTE, not 1 malf in over 1200 rounds. The S&W is lighter but you have a 13 year old, shouldn't be any problem with either the SIG or S&W. I love my SIG though!!! Paid $390 on GB, takes Blackdog mags, got a 50 round drum mag from Blackdog ( let's see S&W top that), it's an amazing little rifle. Do a search on youtube and read the reviews, EVERYONE loves their 522. I'd put my SIG against the S&W any day of the week, first to have a malfunction loses.
 
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Personally, I would go to the 10/22. I consider the sighting 'offset' of AR rimfire platform rifles to be a real bummer for kids learning how to shoot at both close and medium range. Trying to tell a kid he has to aim 2 inches low for a close, 10 yard target (tin can or rabbits head) is terrible. I guess you could sight it in for really close range, but then you would be mile high at stuff further away. It makes much more sense to have the line of sight closer to the bore for rifles used at these close to medium ranges.

The AR rimfires are great for cheap AR training, but I think they are a poor substitute for more traditional rimfires that are often used up very close for one shot and then 50 yards for the next. The targets are often very small, not IDPA size, making offset aiming a pain.
 
I agree.

Get a 10/22 or a Marlin Model 60, or a CZ, or something else with "close to the bore line" open sights.

If you want an AR-15 look-alike for yourself, gofer it.
But don't saddle a young new shooter with sights 2 1/2" over the bore just because you really want one yourself!!

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+1 to SIG522 Best fit for my wife (5'1" 110 lbs) and she loves it. Got hers at a gun show for $300+tax, got mine "free" when I got a SIG556 DMS form CDNN.

Uses the "standard" Blackdog/Ceiner/CMMG AR22 25 round mags which are easy to find for $20 or less.
 
As for the "sighting offset", my 11 year old has no problem picking up the 2MOA red dot through the PA M3 optic. :) He learned irons first, which you can do on the SIG, but the red dot is a blast.
 
Uses the "standard" Blackdog/Ceiner/CMMG AR22 25 round mags which are easy to find for $20 or less.
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You gotta try the 50 round drum from Blackdog. If your wife likes the 522 with the 25 round, the 50 is overwhelming, you almost get tired of pulling the trigger before it's dry.
 
You gotta try the 50 round drum from Blackdog.
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I didn't mention it because while it works fine in my Spike's Tactical AR22 upper and one of our SIG522, it prevents the bolt from fully closing on the other about 10% of the time causing clicks instead of bang. Perhaps it will resolve itself with more shooting but the 25 round mags all work great and you can get three of them and few boxes of ammo for the price of one drum.
 
"As for the "sighting offset", my 11 year old has no problem picking up the 2MOA red dot through the PA M3 optic. He learned irons first, which you can do on the SIG, but the red dot is a blast. "



What does that have to do with the offset problem? Your red dot is still probably 2 1/2 inches above the bore line.
 
What does that have to do with the offset problem? Your red dot is still probably 2 1/2 inches above the bore line.
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Absolutely nothing, which is what I thought your comment had to do with this discussion. We're talking .22 rifles here, not long range shooting vs. close range, that's a whole other discussion. Now, you and I are going to be friends now and not try and argue amongst ourselves.... you got that buddy?! :neener::D
 
I happen to like the classic looks of a 10 22, and my 10YO daughter specifically asked for a wood stock on the one we got her for her birthday. However, if you think your son will be more inspired to practice with something more tacticool like an M&P, I would go with that. The most important thing is that he feels stoked about taking it to the range.
 
10/22 Vote

IMHO, I'd go with the Ruger 10/22. There's a whole world of accessories for it, and I've always thought it was one of the most natural pointing rimfires I came across. I bought mine in 1965, and it just keeps on truckin'.

That, and Ruger service and support have been outstanding. I sent it back one time just for a thorough cleaning and have a screw replaced that I'd lost during a brief infatuation with scopes, and they did everything and returned it no charge. Refused to accept anything when I tried to send them something anyway. Good folks, them Ruger people.
 
Send it back to Blackdog and get them to exchange it,
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Its 100% in two out of three guns, just 1 out of two in the SIG522s so I'm not comfortable recommending one for that particular gun.
 
Thanks guys we just got back

from a field trip to the toy store. Like I said, he's a slim kid and found the 10/22's a little heavy off-hand. The SR-22 was way to much for him. Of course he loved the M&P for the looks and it is indeed a very light gun.

It's now a toss between the M&P and a 10/22 which is about the same weight but of course he'll say too heavy is he thinks it'll land him the M&P.

I get the feeling the M&P is more toy than tool unless someone has experience to share. Can it achieve the accuracy of the 10/22 or the volq-like trigger?

Something about the 10/22 and it's irons says "This is the gun a boy should learn with."

Alson could he ever compete with either in junior matches and have a chance if he did his part?
 
ar15 with a .22 conversion? if it works for him then its a built in transition to centerfires when you decide he"s ready.
 
Get him the 15-22 and give him a taste of the black rifle.

Out of all the AR wannabe .22s, it is the most faithful as far as functional controls go. It is accurate and at least the newer revisions are very reliable. Heck I got one of the first runs that had issues and after sending it in and getting it back this is by far one of my favorites. Plus you have the benefit of using the wide assortment of existing AR accessories, you can throw any AR trigger in there you like.
 
Y'now since he likes the M&P 15-22, I'd get it for him. I think it'll be a great father/son bonding tool so why not pay a little more. It'll be worth every penny.

I have a couple Marlin 60s and love them but a couple months ago got myself a new toy, the Colt/Walther M4 .22LR. Really love it! It weighs 6lb just like a real M4 so the S&W might be a better fit for a boy. I was amazed how light and maneuverable it was but loved the look of the Colt. Either is a great looking rifle.

Don't worry that they are toys, once you find the right ammo (like most 22s) you find it to be very useful and reliable. Federal or Winchester value pack should work well. Remington Golden Bullet doesn't.
 
Simple answer.......get both.

If his heart is set on the MP15-22 get it. We have one and they are fun to shoot.

Although we do not have a 10-22, we do have a similar Marlin 795.
It is the gun that gets the most rounds through it at the range by far.
With a $30.00 scope it's scary accurate.

I would guess he likes the tactical look of the MP. You can always add a bunch of stuff to the 10-22 as time goes on but if he likes the gun, best thing you can do is get it.

When my wife expressed interest in shooting I got her whatever SHE wanted,
Although I explained the differences she made the ultimate decision.

I don't think you can consider the M&P 15-22 a toy by any means.
It shoots out the same size lead at the same speed as all other .22LR rifles.
 
the cool thing about a 10/22 is you can make them look like anything you want. when you get board just change it again.
I have one from 1977 I cant even guess how many rounds have gone down it. still going like a time x
 
if your concerned about weight...check out the marlin model 60 but then put tech sights on it...the AR type aperture is very easy to learn to shoot with. I taught my little sister how to shoot with my 10/22 with tech sights and she was getting x ring at 15 yards within the first mag
 
I get the feeling the M&P is more toy than tool
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Definitely a tool, but in a good way. :) I'm closing in on the 2K mark, no issues. Nickel sized groups at 25y, iron sights. Read the manual, use the correct ammo. I've been running CCI Mini-Mags and have recently transitioned to CCI Blazer.

Great rifle to practice drills with at a low ammo cost.

I replaced the junk M16A2 grip with a Tango Down grip.
 
If it's for him, let him choose what he wants. That means let him see all that's available and within the budget and not just show and pressure for what you want. :neener:
I think the best route would be to get a standard 10/22 and build it up how he'd like it and build it up together. very easy to do. Have built a few with and for my 8yo and he really choosing the parts, having them arrive and putting them all together to form his new firearm. It also allows him to change it as he grows and his interests change.
 
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