Kaeto
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So you're stuck with a very short barrel and the possibility of damaging the existing barrel.
KaetoSo you're stuck with a very short barrel and the possibility of damaging the existing barrel.
If adaptors that used screw in barrels where used before 50 years ago how can such a patent be in force at present? Am I missing something? Perhaps I missunderstand how the earlier ones worked or their age.
No offense taken and none meant!I was looking for nothing more than a plinker. So bullseye accuracy was not a concern for me. I was simply voicing what I felt were legitimate concerns. If I have offended I apologize. Since my concerns are apparently meaningless I shall bow out.
I'm sorry that you miss-read what I typed into all of this ........ it appears that I have gotten you "ruffled up" and I apologize that I gave you the wrong impression.
When I talked about making a longer barrel to use with my Kirst .22 conversion for the Remington Revolving Carbine, I was talking about shade tree gunsmithing for myself.
First, although I am no patent attorney, I think that if I am making an alteration to my own rifle with no intention of using that alteration for commercial purposes, there would not be any patent infringement. Second, although I am sure Kirst has any patent protections they may have been able to secure for their own business protection, I would doubt that barrel length would be something that could be patented. There is nothing unique or patentable about variations of barrel length. Third, I talked to Jay Strite, the Gunsmith at Kirst about this very subject.
That was when he told me about their ability to provide custom length barrels for this conversion unit. I asked him about my doing this very thing to my unit, and he expressed no problem with me doing that on my own unit, other than explaining to me that their barrel wasn't simply screwed into the breechblock. He advised that I would have to remove the barrel and drill out and tap the block to accept a longer barrel. He explained the reason they kept the barrel short was to allow the unit to be installed from the breech end of the revolver without having to worry about screwing in a seperate barrel from the front of the barrel. He explained that while that could be done, as was done on an original .22 conversion unit that they based their unit on, they didn't want their users to be concerned with headspace adjustments which some users might find confusing. When I explained that I understood that and that I was thinking about altering the unit I bought from them to be more like the original with a longer barrel, he basically said, "yeah, you could do that. It would void the warantee though." He said the same thing when I brought up the posibility about me cutting a gate area in the back plate of the .22 unit so I didn't have to remove the unit to reload.
The bottom line is that in my conversations with Jay, he understood that I was a very happy and loyal customer that wanted his opinion about customizing a product he manufactured to make it more usable for myself. I never got the impression that he was concerned that I had some motive involving a potential patent infringement with his product.
He designed his product in such a way that he felt would serve the majority of his customers best, and I got the feeling that he had already considered everything that I spoke with him about. If I wanted to paint his product pink because I liked it that way, he had no problem with me making it more to my own liking for myself. I think he is also quite secure in his own manufacturing capabilities, and isn't worried that if a few of his customers make some alterations to products they buy from him they will try to compete with him on that basis. The man knows his stuff, and the man knows his market, and if one of his customers wants to extend the barrel on one of his units, I bet his main concern is that the customer is happy with the changes they make.
One last thing. Short as the barrel is, it is perfectly centered and shows no chance of causing the bullet to hit the side of the .44 barrel before it exits. That might happen if the .44 barrel was about 10 feet long, but it comes no where near the sides of the 18" barrel on this carbine. I know because I put a piece of masking take on the muzzle and fired a CB cap. The exit .22 hole was dead centered to the .44 barrel. Like I said, the man knows his stuff.
That was my intention (not the miss-communication part).........On a positive note, the miscommunication brought out some valuable information for the rest of us
I can think of quit a few customizations I'd like to try with this set up myself.
Thanks for sharing!
Yes, they are in the develpoment phase!are there any plans being thrown about for a .22 kirst konverter for colt clones? or just sticking with the remmies? i have seen chamber inserts for revolvers chambered in .45 colt but i think a kirst setup like there is for the remmingtons would be much better.
Speaking of short barrels..... couldn't an adaptror of sorts be made using the Kirst back plate and a full length cylinder with the front of individual chambers rifled for a barrel length like the NAA mini derringer stuff? I am thinking somethin like six individual rifled barrel sleeves inserted into a full length Kirst cylinder and then individually chambered. SHould be more accurate than those adaptor cartridges available to .45 Colt caliber gun owners.
-kBob
Speaking of short barrels..... couldn't an adaptror of sorts be made using the Kirst back plate and a full length cylinder with the front of individual chambers rifled for a barrel length like the NAA mini derringer stuff? I am thinking somethin like six individual rifled barrel sleeves inserted into a full length Kirst cylinder and then individually chambered. SHould be more accurate than those adaptor cartridges available to .45 Colt caliber gun owners.
-kBob
In the pipeline...........I'll keep you posted when the first batch is ready for sale!A Colt .22 conversion cylinder would be sweet. That would allow the use of a full 7.5" .22 barrel that wouldn't infringe on any patents.
I'd like to have a longer barrel insert than the Remington version uses, because I'd like to use mine for plinking and small game hunting.
Actually it appears that a 22 conversion for the SAA might be next, there seems to be a lot of interest amongst the SASS shooters!Jamo, for what it's worth Jay Strite from Kirst told me that they are working on an 1851 conversion in .22 rimfire. I think he said they actually had already made prototypes, but production wouldn't be for a while yet. He did say that the 1851 would be the next rimfire conversion offered, and I think on down the line they plan on doing several model in .22, and they can already do a lot on a custom basis.
He said they can do a Remington Pocket .31 to .22, but I think he said it would be about $400. plus you supply the revolver. But that pocket .31 in .22 rimfire would be really nice. If it was gated and had an ejector it would be like a Ruger Bearcat, only with about a thousand times more personality. I had a Bearcat once, and that is just a great size for a .22 carry for the woods and plinking. By the way, I've had a few H&R's too. I've always liked the break open revolvers, and as long as the hinge is tight, they are great. The main problem is when people snap the action closed instead of retracting the lockpiece and closing it gently.