Kirst 45acp for 1860 Army!!

[RWMC]

Jerry Lee Lewis and Mickey Gilley were cousins. Learned to play on the same piano and often played and sang together when younger.


Kevin

Jerry Lee Lewis, Mickey Gilley and Jimmy Swaggart were all cousins, and each a fantastic pianist.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

@45D hey brother is walt going to sell just the cylinder ? that would be cool for prior customers who would like a "conversion of a conversion cylinder"

 

[45 Dragoon]

@45D hey brother is walt going to sell just the cylinder ? that would be cool for prior customers who would like a "conversion of a conversion cylinder"

I don't know for sure but he sells "just cyls" currently made as well as "just" conversion plates so I think he would follow suit.

Mike

 

[45 Dragoon]

45acp update.

Got to sling some lead today mostly for function testing my newly installed ejector rod on my 1st Mod Dragoon AND more rounds through the '60 acp !!!
The '60 is still tight as can be and we have another 100 rounds down range! The most accurate loads are loads I won't mention here. I think with the availability of the acp round and especially if you reload these will prove to be excellent in the accuracy department. There's also plenty of room for "heavyweight" bullet development!!

What a sweet setup this is turning out to be!!!

Mike

 

[45 Dragoon]

Nuther trip to the range this afternoon and sent 70 more rounds down range.
Everything is still the same !!! "Beauty and the Beast" is quite the accurate beastie !!!






Mike

 

[RWMC]

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Kevin

ASM?

 

[StrawHat]

ASM?

Yes, both ASM. Both chambered for the modern 44 Colt cartridge.

Kevin

 

[Onty]

From what I understand, cut down .45 Colt cases will work in an un-shaved Webley. I like the AR cases which look really cool with the long nose 265 grain Webley bullet seated in it.

Cut down 45 Colt case wouldn't work in un-shaved Webley Mk VI, unless revolver is out of specification. See:



Also, in my experience, 45 Colt cases are not good choice for making Webley brass, at least using Starline brass. I was making Mk I version, and after reducing length, I had to ream case about .400 deep. Starline 45 Schofield brass is OK, no reaming was required, just shortening. The best option is to use straight 45 Cowboy Special brass https://www.starlinebrass.com/45-cowboy-special , length is OK as is. Now, the issue is rim thinning. It could be done on lathe, but I found better way. Here is the tool I created:


For the best results use tool steel and heat threat parts.

A good, strong milling machining vise is more than enough. Smaller hydraulic press should be fine also. Caution when thinning rim on case made from 45 Schofield brass; you will find that rim grew in diameter bit more than expected, so it could have quite tight fit in shellholder. Try to turn it until fits in the slot. Better yet, make that rim formation space .040", instead .038".

My apology for off topic, I just wanted to clarify few things and save Webley enthusiasts from aggravation and high cost.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

My apology for off topic, I just wanted to clarify few things and save Webley enthusiasts from aggravation and high cost.

No, very interesting. I've never regretted that the Webley I got was "shaved". Auto rim brass is perfect, and ACP brass in full moon clips makes for one fast reload, which is good for me when I'm out in the woods and decide to replace my slug/ball loads with some .45ACP shot loads, and pop a grouse or two.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Informational update:
Only "loose" wedges get beat up !!!

Here's a picture of the wedge from "Beauty and the Beast" after 400 rounds of 21 - 23K psi ammo. That's 220 - 230gr FMJ ( only 50 have been lead - 230gr.)
The edges are perfect!!



Mike

 

[hrt4me]

@45 Dragoon

Mike, would the Belgian Centaurs make a good host gun for these Kirst conversions?

 

[45 Dragoon]

@45 Dragoon

Mike, would the Belgian Centaurs make a good host gun for these Kirst conversions?

I don't see why not. I see a lot of good posts about them and especially from our friend Long John's Wolf. He could probably give a good comparative account of how they "stack up" to Uberti's and Piettas. Would definitely be interesting . . .

Mike

 

[StrawHat]

Mike,

I just reread the thread and could not find the answer. Is the ACP cylinder a 5 or 6 shot cylinder?

Kevin

 

[45 Dragoon]

Hey Kevin, it's a 5 shot cyl.

Mike

 

[StrawHat]

Better than a 4 I guess, but was hoping for a 6.

Kevin

 

[45 Dragoon]

Yep, I don't think you could shoot the loads I shoot if it was 6.

Mike

 

[44 Dave]

When Mike "sets up" an open top it will handle loads that would soon beat an un-tuned gun to death.

 

[45 Dragoon]

When Mike "sets up" an open top it will handle loads that would soon beat an un-tuned gun to death.

Thanks 44 Dave, I appreciate that.

Mike