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.22 LR @ 100 Yds. - - One Hole Obsession

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  1. LRaccuracy

    LRaccuracy Member

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    If you can tell me how you shoot tighter groups that what I am shooting, I would certainly be happy to listen to your advice.

    I sure would like to see more posted on .22 LR at 100 Yds. When I am not busy getting ready for a high power match, I am obsessed with trying to shoot a single hole group at a hundred yards with my favorite .22 LR. I have read some grandiose claims of accuracy with a 22 LR at 200 and even 250 yards. It’s not that I don’t believe the claims, It’s just I have never witnessed it in almost 48 years.

    I am posting my two targets that I fired this morning (7/15/09) for your viewing. The half-inch group (3X) is not typical of what I normally shoot, but the 1” group (2X) is a bit larger than what I normally shoot. I know there are some shooters out there that can consistently shoot a half inch and smaller groups, but I am not one of them. I sure could use some pointers. BTW, this is bench rest shooting with only a front rest.

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    I add this below the dotted line so that you (the reader) will not have to read all of my posts below to understand what type of rifle and ammo I used. Thanks for you patients.


    Sorry! I did not originally post what type of rifle I was shooting. It is a simple custom rifle if you want to call it that. The receiver is a Ruger 77/22, with a 21” . 920 dia Lilja barrel, and an after-market 2# trigger. The Stock is a Volqurtsen.

    The groups shown in the .pdf files were shot with Lapua X-Act, however I do get good groups with the Lapua Master L. I have tried about 40 types of ammo in this rifle and the Lapua does the best. The best group I have been able to print with inexpensive ammo, is the Agula (spelling??) Super Extra.
     

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  2. Vern Humphrey

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    You don't say what rifle or ammo you are using.

    Good bench shooting is a combination of the rifle, the ammo, and the shooter's skill and technique. Using a rear bag, and controlling elevation may shrink groups a bit. Similarly, better wind doping, or shooting only in dead calms may help. Finally, experiement with different brands of ammo.

    Good luck.
     
  3. 22-rimfire

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    It is a good obsession. I don't shoot 22's at 100 yds other than to plink a clay pigeon or two from time to time. And yes, I usually hit them first try, but a clay pigeon precision is not 0.5" groups. What ammo and rifle are you using?
     
  4. kludge

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    I've never been able to shoot a <1" group at 100 yards with a .22 but I'm not willing to pay $7-$12 for a box of .22 ammo either.

    The best I can usually do is 1.2-1.3". My best group at 50 yards was a 3 shot clover leaf while shooting my sighters for a match that was ~0.25". 0.35" to 0.50" is the norm on a good day (no breeze or mirage).
     
  5. LRaccuracy

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    Sorry! I did not post what type of rifle I was shooting. It is a simple custom rifle if you want to call it that. The receiver is a Ruger 77/22, with a 21” . 920 dia Lilja barrel, and an after-market 2# trigger. The Stock is a Volqurtsen.

    The groups shown in the .pdf files were shot with Lapua X-Act, however I do get good groups with the Lapua Master L. I have tried about 40 types of ammo in this rifle and the Lapua does the best. The best group I have been able to print with inexpensive ammo, is the Agula (spelling??) Super Extra.
     
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  6. Vern Humphrey

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    My Kimber M82 came with a sample group that measured about .3" at 100 yards -- a true one-hole group. However, this was shot by a man who did nothing but shoot groups all day, using a pipe range.
     
  7. LRaccuracy

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    Vern,

    I can't say I shoot all day but maybe that is what I need to do to achieve a one hole groups. I have not been able to shoot this rifle as much as I would have liked to this year but I am going to try to shoot it at least twice a week. One hole groups under .5" are easy to shoot at 50 yards but are evasive at anything greater than 80 yards (for me.) Last year I'll bet I put 1500 round through this rifle experimenting with it and maybe it just won’t do any better….. Maybe I just can’t do any better.. Normally it’s the operator…
     
  8. Vern Humphrey

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    It could well be the operator -- we all have a ceiling somewhere. But I begin to think having a pipe range has a lot do do with it.
     
  9. doc2rn

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    At least yours is still a rifle some of the ones people use to make those groups dont even resemble a rifle. I love the 77/22 MKII also mine is .22wmr
     
  10. LRaccuracy

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    Vern,

    I'll keep trying. If I don't keep trying, I am not going to have any fun.

    I am going to try a rear bag as you have suggested and I'll look for one of those calm days. Today when I shot the two targets that I posted with this thread, I did have a slight cross wind of a knot or two.

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  11. husbandofaromanian

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    I am one of those people you speak of making grandiose claims about shooting 22lr @ long range. I am not an accurate shooter. I have a Contender G2 Pistol (10.5" barrel) with a silencer that I shoot off of a tripod.

    At 100 yards my groups are about an inch and a half. However, I can ring my 11" gong at 300 yards 9 times out of 10 (in windless conditions) all day long.
     
  12. JMusic

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    I'm having the same problem with a 10-22 Mach two I converted. Sand bag it up good Assure no movement and sart trying different ammo. Give Eley a try and stay standard velocity. You should allready know about bedding and so forth but try different torques on your stock screws. You may be surprised of the difference,


    Jim
     
  13. mm1ut1

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    Stock CZ American and CMP Aguilla ammo at 100 yards. A trigger job would shrink the group easily by half. Shot off sandbag under ideal conditions.
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  14. LaserSpot

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    LRaccuracy,
    What type of scope do you have and how is it mounted?

    Are most of your groups round, or do you see "stringing"?
    I have a Volquartsen barrel that's free floated; the 4-14x50 Leupold LRT is on a Volquartsen cantilever mount. It's a very stable setup, I don't know if Lilja barrels are tapped for this type of mount.

    I'm getting about the same accuracy, but it's a 10/22, not a 77/22
     
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    I sighted in my 10-22 for a 100 yards just to say I could. Most I did to it was use a good 3-9x scope and I replaced the pin in the back of the frame with one of those plastic ones or what ever its made of. Seems to work for me and the gophers I shoot at. There has to be people out there that can shoot the dots of the eyes.
     
  16. kludge

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    At the last 50/50 benchrest match I shot in, a buddy of mine used Lapua to shoot a 240-8X out of a possible 250.

    He used an Anshutz with a trigger measured in ounces.

    I'm using Aguila Rifle Match right now (it was $30/brick) but I think the Federal Champion Target ($13/brick two summers ago, havn't seen ANY since then) was a little better.

    I shoot a Savage Mark II BV with a 3# Accutrigger, and it's way too heavy a trigger for benchrest shooting.
     
  17. Bill B.

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    That's about as good as it gets for me regardless of the rifle & ammo combo. Maybe somewhere where they have no wind and heat waves.
     
  18. LRaccuracy

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    LaserSpot,

    I have a pretty cheap scope on the rig. It is a BSA Platinum 6-24X44 and It's mounted directly to the top of the receiver with high steel rings. I have ordered a Leupold 6-24X50which I should have next week. My groups are generally 3 or 4 in a tight group (kind of round) and I normally drop one or two low. Occasionally I will throw one out to the right or left and I always wonder what happened? When I miss the X ring it is normally low. Exactly like the first .pdf file I posted.

    My breathing and trigger squeeze looks good and I have examined my technique in high speed video for evaluation. I have other .22 LR rifles built up for shooting at 100 yds. but with iron sights. I normally do the same scenario. Three or four in, one or two out.

    I'll never be national match material, but I know I can put all five in the X ring on a consistent basis, I just don't know what I am doing wrong.

    I am going to try rear sand bags for stability to analyze the problem further.
     
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    Kludge,

    I have been thinking of lightening up my trigger a bit... Maybe 1.5 lbs or just a little less. Right now it seems okay but a little lighter couldn't hurt.
     
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    KenWP,

    I have never tried a 10/22 for accuracy, but I know it can be done. I have read on the Internet in so many articles that you can achieve the same accuracy as a bolt gun with them. That may be my next summer challenge.
     
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    mm1ut1,

    Great target.. One of my friends shoots a CZ American and shoots about the same groups. You have to admit the CZ shoots great. I have a CZ American in .221 Fireball and it will shoot sub MOA.
     
  22. LRaccuracy

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    Husbandofaromanian...

    The claims I am hearing are a bit wild. How about an inch group with a .22 LR at 250 yards... Hmmmmm! Do I believe it? A better question is, do you believe it?

    Now you know what I mean by a grandiose claim. Later... T.
     
  23. LRaccuracy

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    Believe me when I say I am going to try many of the things you ladies and gentlemen are suggesting. Even if I have already tried them. Maybe I will find the right combination.

    I always keep in mind that the groups that I am getting is my personal best but I will not give up striving for consistent smaller groups. If I did I guess I would be giving up shooting, and I don't want to do that.

    I will try some Eley again and maybe just maybe I need a pipe range to avoid the thermals and wind variations... Who knows? But I will keep you posted...
     
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    That's the scope I use, with the 1/8 MOA target dot. The dot just fits inside the 10 ring of the 50/50 target. I shoot MOA or less with rig that cost me <$300. My best score so far is a 233-5X.
     
  25. crazy-mp

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    Unless you have a day where these is no wind at all, you will never know for sure if there was a little drift.

    How fast are you taking your shots? You might try to wait between shots a little longer.

    Did you fire the gun once as a "fouling" shot-assuming you cleaned the gun after your last shot? I have a 10/22 that will shoot about 2 inches high on the first shot at 50 yards then the scope is on.

    Finally it could be the operator and choice of equipment (no offense) I built a custom 10/22 the same time my dad did. I can lay mine on top of each other at 25 yards, but his I cant cover with a half dollar the group from his gun, but he can make a 6 shot group look like a .45 hit it.
     
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