.22 rimfire cartridges.

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I'm thinking about buying a .22 LR rifle, but here's the question. I like being able to shoot different types of cartridges out of my guns just for fun. Is there a larger cartridge that I can shoot in a rifle, but that can also handle say... .22 Hornets, .22 magnums and also .22 LR's?

What are the different types of .22 rimfire cartridges?
Say if I buy a .22 magnum rifle, can I shoot hornets and LR's???

Help me out please, cause I like versatility in my weaponry :)

Thanks guys/gals!
 
I dont think you can shoot LR's in a Magnum rifle.I know I cant do it in my single six. With my single six I can shoot shorts,longs,lr,and magnums with the extra cylinder.Not to mention all those quiet rounds that wont cycle an automatic
 
The most you can do with one rifle is .22 short, .22 long, and .22 long rifle. Magnums are a different chamber as is .22 Hornet. Oh, and .22 Hornet is centerfire.
 
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22LR guns will shoot 22LR (long Rifle), 22 Long and 22 Short.

Some revolvers (called convertables sometimes) have two interchangable cylinders that allow you to shoot 22 magnum with one and 22LR/22L/22S in the other. I don't think there are any rifles that allow that though.

I believe magnums are a tiny bit larger in diameter as well as having a longer cartridge. I only say this because I vaguely remember it coming up in a discussion in the revolver forum about Ruger Single Sixes being more accurate shooting 22Mag with the 22Mag cylinder that when they are shooting 22LR with the 22LR cylinder.
 
You're overthinking it, buddy! .22's are unlimited fun just the way they are!! If you don't have one yet, go buy one or ten!
 
22LR guns will shoot 22LR (long Rifle), 22 Long and 22 Short.

They will SHOOT all three, but most guns will not cycle all three. For example, if you have a Ruger 10/22 or .22 Automatic, you can single load .22 shorts, but not cycle them through the magazine semi-automatically.

There ARE guns that will cycle all three -- the Marlin 39A is an example. And in days gone by, when .22 shorts cost less than Long Rifles, that was considered an advantage. Nowadays, the overwhelming demand for .22 Long Rifles makes them cheaper than shorts.

Some revolvers (called convertables sometimes) have two interchangable cylinders that allow you to shoot 22 magnum with one and 22LR/22L/22S in the other. I don't think there are any rifles that allow that though.

Correct -- there are no rifles that will shoot both .22 LR and .22 WMR. In fact, for rifles like the Ruger 10/22, there are two different receivers, one for .22 LR and one for .22 WMR.
 
.22 Rimfire Cartridge Information

.22 Rim Fire Ballistic Coefficients can range from a low of ~0.100 for the 30-32 gr rounds used in hyper-vel. rounds like CCI Stingers, to ~0.15 for 40-gr round noses used in match rounds.

Most 36-38 gr high-velocity hollow points run 0.130-0.140 for BC.

Also, velocity can affect BC to a small amount. A high-vel. 40-gr round at 1250 fps usually has a slightly lower BC (~0.145) than a subsonic, match 40-gr round at 1050 fps (~0.150).

The .22 rimfire is the most versatile cartridge available today. There are hundreds of brands worldwide, and hundreds of different types of .22 ammunition. There is a .22 made for every possible purpose one can imagine. Many shooters get confused with the many types of .22's available. Some of these cartridges are interchangeable and others are not. Dealers, as well as, shooters sometimes mislabel or misidentify different types of .22 ammunition. The following is a brief description of the current .22 rimfire being manufactured. It will only discuss size characteristics in relation to one another.

The Flobert BB Cap from RWS is the smallest .22 rimfire currently being manufactured. It is about half the size of a .22 Short with a lead BB atop. Case length is .284 inches. Overall length is .343 inches.

The Flobert CB Cap from RWS is the only "true" Conical Bullet cartridge, thus the name "CB". It is still about half the size of a .22 Short. The Flobert CB Cap uses the same case as above.

The .22 Short is the oldest American cartridge. It is normally loaded with a 29 gr bullet. The case length is .423 inches. Overall length is .686 inches.

The .22 Long. This is where the confusion begins. The .22 Long and .22 Long Rifle are often thought of as the same cartridge, but they are not and may not be interchangeable, depending on the firearm. The .22 Long uses a .22 Long Rifle case (.595 in), but is loaded with a .22 Short bullet (29-gr.). The overall length of a .22 long is .880 in, while the .22 Long Rifle is .975 inches long. Try shooting .22 Long out of a firearm designed to shoot only .22 LR and you will quickly understand the difference - Feeding problems!

The .22 Long Rifle cartridge is the most common today. As discuss before, .22 LR cartridge is a different size from the other .22 rimfire mentioned. It is important to note here that there is no danger in shooting one of the smaller cartridges in a .22 LR firearm, but if the firearm is an auto-loader or magazine feed bolt action, the smaller .22 rimfire will not function the action, and likely jam any feeding tubes or magazines. The smaller cartridges must be loaded one at a time in an auto-loader or bolt action to prevent this problem. However, you cannot shoot a .22 Long Rifle in a firearm design only for one of the smaller cartridges listed (1 to 4).

The .22 WRF (Winchester Rimfire) is still being produces in limited quantities. This cartridge was designed for the older model Winchester 1890. The .22 WRF is very similar in size to the .22 Magnum, but with velocities in the 1400-fps range. The .22 WRF and .22 Magnum cartridges are NOT interchangeable. The .22 Magnum (WMR - Winchester Magnum Rimfire) has a case length of 1.052 inches and an overall length of 1.35 inches. The .22 Magnum cartridge has a larger case diameter than the other 1 through 6 listed above, thus one should not shoot any other rimfire cartridge in a firearm designed for a .22 Magnum.

The .22 Winchester Automatic has been produced in limited quantities and is currently available. This cartridge is NOT interchangeable with any other rimfire cartridge.

There are other rimfire cartridges that are not listed because they are no longer in production. These obsolete cartridges are not interchangeable with "modern" rimfire ammunition of today. Collectors seek out most of these cartridges and those shooters who still have the old guns. The obsolete cartridges are: 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum, .22 Extra Long, .22 Remington Automatic, and .22 ILARCO (.22 Short Magnum).
 
And some more info about this great little cartridge

A Short History of the Rimfire Cartridge

Although it is not a completely documented fact, there is some agreement within the firearm industry about the origins of the .22 rimfire. It is generally believed that Louis Flobert, a French National, created the rimfire BB Cap in the early to mid 1800’s. Flobert took a 15 grain lead ball and pressed it into the mouth of a percussion cap. It wasn’t particularly accurate nor pretty, but it did launch the little ball and at the same time, it launched one of the most popular cartridges the world has ever seen.

Around 1857, the good people of Smith & Wesson made a significant improvement on the Frenchman’s first effort and developed the “Smith & Wesson .22 Rim Fire,” that was the first cartridge for which their Model 1 tip-up revolver was chambered. Smith & Wesson started with the same basic principle. Then stretched the length of the case and created a folded rim design in which the priming compound was contained only around the perimeter of the case head, between the rim’s double wall. While Mr. Flobert’s BB Cap was powered only by the charge contained in the percussion cap, S&W stuffed in 3 grains of black powder under the 29 grain, conical bullet. This created the first .22 Short cartridge. This not only started the rimfire revolution in the U.S., it also kicked off the era of self-contained metallic cartridges.

S&W’s radical new approach was quickly adopted by others in the industry and within a very short time, rifles and pistols chambered for rimfire cartridges began to appear in great numbers and varieties of caliber. The largest caliber attempted was .58. However, just as the rimfire industry was taking off, some creative people came up with the concept of the center fire, or centrally primed cartridge. One of the very first center fires was the .45-70 Government, which came on the scene in 1873. The ability to reload the fired casings was attractive to many, not just the government, and centrally primed cartridges could develop and handle higher chamber pressures, which resulted in increased effective ranges of the projectiles. The relatively primitive rimfire ignition system and the correspondingly low-pressure limits to which it was restricted was quickly abandoned by the big bore community, but it thrived quite nicely in the smaller calibers.
The .22 caliber is where it found a permanent home.

In the never-ending search for improved performance, the .22 Long cartridge was developed and appeared in the market place around 1871. Like the .22 Short compared to the original BB Cap, the basic case length was again extended. The bullet weight remained the same at 29 grains, but the longer case allowed a blackpowder charge of five grains, up two grains from that of the Short. As a percentage increase that’s huge, and the Long was a vast ballistic improvement over the Short. In 1880 the Extra Long was created. Again, it boasted a larger powder charge (six grains) and a heavier 40 grain bullet. Over the years of development and tinkering, the Extra Long, using smokeless powder, was able to push its 40 grain bullet out the barrel at over 1,000 feet per second. The Extra Long was considered “hot stuff” in 1880, but it soon had to share center stage with yet another evolutionary and revolutionary rimfire cartridge.

The arrival of the .22 Long Rifle cartridge in 1887 was arguably the most important milestone in the development of the .22 rimfire since the BB Cap. Not surprisingly, there are conflicting stories about the origins of this important cartridge. Most credible information indicates that the U.S. Cartridge Co., the Union Metallic Cartridge Co., and old Joshua Stevens of the Stevens Arms & Tool Co., all had a hand in its development.

Regardless of what combination of creative people and businesses actually gave us the new cartridge, two elements contributed to the markedly improved accuracy for which the .22 LR would become noted. 1) The 1:16" twist barrel which gave better stabilization to the 40 grain bullet. 2) Crimping the cartridge case. The crimping of the case around the bullet provided much more efficient powder burning characteristics. The little round actually became predictable in its trajectory and overall ballistic performance!

Although the Long Rifle round was clearly superior from the very start, the search for higher velocity prompted the introduction in 1890 of the .22 Winchester Rim Fire. Shortly after that, Remington came out with their very own ".22 Remington Special." Other than bullet shape, the two versions were identical and interchangeable. Unlike the Short, Long, Extra Long and Long Rifle in which the bullet's bearing surface and the outside diameter of the case is the same, the .22 WRF did not use a "heeled" bullet. The Winchester Rimfire was loaded as a centerfire cartridge with a jacketed bullet in which the bullet's bearing surface fit inside the case mouth. The .22 WRF was loaded with six grains of blackpowder and a 45 gr. solid bullet. A few years later a 40 gr. hollow point was added to the product line. However, neither of the new offerings matched the accuracy of the Long Rifle. The search for increased velocity resulted in a differential of less than 100 fps. And as semi-smokeless and smokeless versions were produced, the WRF's tiny velocity edge shrank even more, so there was little market demand for this cartridge.

It would take almost 70 years before a major firearms or ammunition manufacturer would introduce another rimfire cartridge. In 1959, Winchester introduced their .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire. When announced, the company made much ado over the “2,000 feet per second muzzle velocity from a 22" barrel.” The tale of the chronograph soon caused Winchester to lower their original computer estimates to a more accurate but still quite respectable 1,910 fps. Compared to the 1,265 fps of a high velocity .22 LR that uses the same 40 grain projectile, the WMR is a powerhouse. During its over 45-year existence the WMR has been loaded with bullets as heavy as 50 grains, and as light as 30 grains. Through trial and error, however, the original 40 grain projectile proved to be the most versatile. The .22 WMR extends the maximum effective range a full 50 yards beyond that of the .22 LR, to about 125 yards. 60 yards seems to be the optimum range at which to zero a .22 LR, and I like my WMR’s zeroed in at 100 yards. When dead-on at this distance, the point-of-impact at 50 yards is about +1", and -2.5" at 125. I can easily deal with that type of predictable trajectory. Starting out with 325 ft./lbs. of energy, the 40 grain bullet from a .22 WMR has the same striking force at 125 yards as the .22 LR has at the muzzle. The magnum is potent enough to take large pests and predators like woodchucks, fox and bobcat on out to the limits of its practical range.

One of the most recent rimfire cartridges the .17 caliber rimfire came about in 2002. Hornady’s 17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) ammunition is shipping as you read this article. How hot is it? According to the literature produced by Hornady, that little 17 grain, .17 caliber bullet comes screaming out of the barrel at 2550 fps! With this velocity and the ballistic efficiency of the V-Max, ballistic tipped bullet technology employed by Hornady, the 17HMR delivers considerably more terminal energy than its closest rival, the .22WMR, at both 150 and 200 yards. And, how flat is flat trajectory? Compared again to the fastest .22WMR loading available, at 200 yards there’s a 10 inch difference in trajectory! In a 10 mile an hour crosswind, there’s a 15 inch difference in wind drift! All the numbers are there, rimfire fans.
 
Well to answer the original qestion as to wether or not there is a gun that will shoot both 22LR and a bigger caliber, yes there are. You can buy an AR15 in .223 caliber, a centerfire round. The ammo is plentiful and pretty cheap. Then you can also buy a conversion kit for your rifle (make sure there is a kit available for the brand rifle you buy) to allow you to shoot .22LR ammunition from it. This is costly but many do it.

You will not be able to shoot 22 Hornets or .22 WMR out of this set up.

One thing that is extremely important is that you never fire the wrong caliber ammunition out of the gun you are using. This can cause no problems up to major ones that can result in a ruined firearm and even severe injury. Even though many modern .22 rifles chambered for 22LR will fire .22 short and .22L some manufacturers recommend against doing such and clearly label the guns as firing ONLY .22LR. Fire the gun with the ammo that it was made for and that was made for it.
 
Some bolts, like my dad's 512s, will cycle all three cartridges. It depends on the feed mechenaism, and how it registers(is that the right word? I can't get it out) on the cartridge to move it.
 
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