.22 magnum according to Bill Jordan

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I'm getting an NAA .22 Magnum Mini revolver with 1 5/8" barrel... as my BUG's BUG. ;)

Yep, I'm gonna eventually carry 3 guns on me. :)

The weight doesn't bother me. If anyone else... all they have to do is get in shape! :p
 
It only matters where you get shot, not so much with what. I saw a Colombian guy lift his shirt and show 5 rounds of 45 ball amo from when he was in the military. He not only lived, but you never would have known he was shot if you didn't see the scars. They just wre through and through shots, 5x. Kind of made me wonde about my 38 back in the day, but it's just another case for hollow points. He probablly would have been dead if he got hit with todays ammo.
 
In my real-world testing, the .22 magnum certainly is a "wicked little round". Great penetration and destruction.

Here's what Skeeter Skelton said about the .22 mag:

Some day we will have a pocket automatic in .22 mrf caliber, and it will be the most effective hideaway gun ever made. Difficulties are being encountered by high chamber pressures and case head separation during extraction when this cartridge is used in conventional semi-automatic systems. Our arms designers have licked tougher problems than this, and I'm betting they’ll beat this one.
- Shooting Times Magazine, March 1967

The most practical addition to the battery of hunting handgunners in the last ten years has been the revolver chambered for the .22 WMR round. This tiny cartridge, in its hollow-point version, does a superb job on anything from coons to coyotes, confined to reasonable handgun ranges. At fewer than 50 yards, it is so destructive on rabbit-sized game as to be a little gruesome, and is the frequent choice of professional predator control hunters after big cats and bears.

Smith & Wesson, Colt, and Ruger all make excellent revolvers in the .22 magnum caliber. When loaded with the full jacketed version of this slug, the .22 magnum is a fine killer of table game up through wild turkeys. It should not be overlooked by any serious handgun hunters.
- 6-guns & varmints by Skeeter Skelton, Shooting Times Magazine June 1967
 
Bill Jordan, musing back in 1965 when No Second Place Winner was written, seems to have been speaking of both the .22 mag *and* the gun it might be chambered in; he was thinking of the combination of the two.

I don't know when this gun was originally produced in this configuration, but it appears that S&W took it under consideration.
Hornady and Speer, just to name two, make a short-barrel load and then we have a 10.8-oz (unloaded), 7-shot .22 mag belly gun. It's a neat piece, a force to be reckoned with up close I'd think very effective still at 7 yards and beyond if one considers his front sight...

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Shown next to a Model 60-15 "J-Magnum"-framed all-stainless .357 J-frame Smith.


One reason we don't see as much .22 WMR on the shelves presently is probably due to the success of the Kel Tec firearms chambered in .22 Mag. I'm not one for plastic pistols, and I'm subject to a 10-round magazine capacity limit here in CA, but those 30-round Kel Tec PMR .22 Mag semiauto pistols sure have sold well. And they only weigh a few ounces more than this S&W Airweight!
 
I spent ten years as a LEO in two city and one state agency. I started as a Patrolman in 1978 in a medium sized city that had rural, suburban and inner city areas. I mainly worked the public housing/inner city area. I saw a good many shootings, stabbings, cuttings, beatings, suicides and etc. While there and at another agency, I was on scene at three offcer involved shootings. All involved the issued S&W M10 or 64 using 158gr LSWCHP +P .38 Spl ammo. Two of thośe involved one shot to the torso and almost instant incapacitation. The other involved four officers firing several shouts to the chest, abdomen and arm of a very large, very fat, very psychotic woman who had just fatally stabbed a man in a small townhouse living room...She exhibited no reaction and had to be subdued by officers using MACE and batons. She survived to stand trial and be sentenced to a state psychiatric institution.

What I learned from all this is that the "What I would do..." and "I think/believe/know if that happens..." and all other conjecture is worthless when a lethal encounter is at hand. Perhaps, if one is a SEAL, those ideas may be valid but there is always the unexpected and random...One of the helicopters crashed during the raid on Bin Laden. I don't think that was expected...When you add fear and adrenaline and physical exertion as wells as mood state and health issues and other factors, what will occur with the best firearms and training/practice is unpredictable.
I coming up n on 65 and grew up reading the works of the old writers. Some of it was entertaining and useful and some proved to be pedestrian drivel. None of those guys knew everything. Nobody does. Time and personal experiences color all of our perspectives. In purely objective terms, I don't know what "wicked" as applied to a firearm or cartridge means. He doesn't expound much on what it means. That he was a excellent shot under certain circumstances seems to be undeniable. How well that held up under combat conditions is unknown. I knew an officer who was quite muscular and had studied advanced martial arts for years and was an instructor but when he got a call for a fight in a biker bar, he lost his nerve and refused to get out of his car...He resigned the next day.

I have had numerous .22 RF and .22 Mags in rifle and pistol formats. My conclusion is they make fine small game, target and plinking guns. I could chose to carry one for dedicated self-defense purposes and it might be enough but I know I don't know everything and so I rely on what those with more knowledge and experience have learned. NO police or military or top tier security agency issues .22 Mags to their officers/agents. I never worked for or knew of an agency that authorized .22 Mag for OD/BUG except maybe for undercover work...So, this has been an interesting discussion. I will stick to my G27 and S&W 337 AirLite ti for most of my EDC needs. I shoot them as well as any rimfire but they are capable of more ability to quickly end a fight with less than opitmal shot placement. All the cops around here carry .40 or .357 Sig and .38 Spl for BUG in a small revolver. That's good enough for me
 
Certainly not a BUG, but I carry my KelTec PMR30 around the place. Very effective on feral cats and ground squirrels. I've also tucked it into my waders when fly fishing and it sits on the nightstand at the motel between floats.
 
I posted these in October in another thread, but here they are again.



 
My wife carries a Ruger LCR 22WMR loaded with Hornady Critical Defense. It's the most she can handle, and I'm OK with that. Far, far better than a can of mace or a rape whistle.
 
I read No Second Place Winner many years ago. The .22 mag bit stuck with me.

Every once in awhile I carried a S&W 650 as a bug. Usually if I felt particularly hinky that I could wander into something where I was seriously outnumbered or get trapped in something. Think the LA riots.

Not many other handguns let me carry 50-100 extra rounds in a uniform pants pocket.

Still have that little gun with a factory fitted LR cylinder.
 
What CD said. Why would anyone carry something in 22 magnum as a BuG when an LCP or P32 is so much smaller, lighter, and more effective? I have shot plenty of 22 magnum, and my basic impression has been "better than 22lr".
 
I have a S&w 351c, 11oz.7 rounds. I like shooting it and it carries easy so that's why I keep it. Not every handgun has to be a polymer semi auto does it? I enjoy different platforms and calibers. But I admit it's a m&p 9c that gets carried the most.
 
When you can have a subcompact BUG chambered in something like 9x19mm, why bother with a .22??

I don’t think it makes much sense for an on-duty police officer for the reason you state. But, for off-duty police or private citizens, how many carry a BUG in the first place? Five rounds of contact distance mayhem (try that with a semi) in a 7-1/2 ounce package offers a lot for zero inconvenience. It also fits kinda nice in a cupholder or armrest and doesn’t telegraph going for the big gun on the hip while driving.
 
I don’t think it makes much sense for an on-duty police officer for the reason you state. But, for off-duty police or private citizens, how many carry a BUG in the first place? Five rounds of contact distance mayhem (try that with a semi) in a 7-1/2 ounce package offers a lot for zero inconvenience. It also fits kinda nice in a cupholder or armrest and doesn’t telegraph going for the big gun on the hip while driving.

I like those NAA revolvers, but I can't shoot them as quickly or as accurately as I'd like. I know they're belly guns, but the little things move in my hand too much between cocking and firing. I swear it feels like I'm going to drop them.
 
When you can have a subcompact BUG chambered in something like 9x19mm, why bother with a .22?

First of all, this is a thread in the Revolver subforum, lest we forget. But to answer the quoted question, when one can have a compact b.u.g. chambered in .45ACP, why bother with a 9? We could go on and on... and like jimbo555 said, "...[11.8] oz, 7 rounds. I like shooting it and it carries easy so that's why I keep it. Not every handgun has to be a polymer semi auto does it? I enjoy different platforms and calibers."

Remember when Bill Jordan published his comment, the topic of this thread, it was 1965. One's choices for a subcompact 9 were either rare or nonexistent.
 
Excellent thread. I understand no police agencies issue or authorize the .22 Magnum except maybe for undercover personnel. The benefit of the .22 Mag for carry is the potential for light weight, light recoil, and greater capacity. Easy to drop in a pocket while cutting the grass or making a quick run to the store.
 
I like the .22 mag. Have two revolvers for it. A High Standard Sentinel Mark IV and a NAA Black Widow. The NAA is carried as a bug sometimes, but more frequently around the yard with a couple of snake shot. It has the holster grip which makes it much more shootable than those puny grips. Carries like a pocket knife with the clip.

The HS I bought is the only j-frame sized revolver I found that holds 9 rounds of .22 mag. Sometimes I'll carry that around on a walk. I live in an almost no crime rural area. That was purchased because I know that someday the missus or myself are going to have problems with recoil due to some health problem. Arthur is already moving into a lot of my joints at 55. When it gets to that point, I won't feel under gunned with 9 rounds of Hornady Critical Defense.
 
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I suspect these days Bill Jordan would be smitten with the relatively new 327 MAG over 22 MAG for a BUG round, and probably would prefer to carry a six round Ruger LCR in lieu of a five round Smith J-frame when "nothing is going to happen".
 
I suspect these days Bill Jordan would be smitten with the relatively new 327 MAG over 22 MAG for a BUG round, and probably would prefer to carry a six round Ruger LCR in lieu of a five round Smith J-frame when "nothing is going to happen".

I suspect the off duty LEO at Ohio State thought nothing was going to happen that day too.
 
I no longer have a copy of No Second Place Winner so some of you will have to confirm or refute my recollection.
I think the Jordan System for the then-hypothetical lightweight .22 WRM included left side pocket carry from which he could draw and border shift before an opponent knew what was going on. But we are not all fast draw experts.
 
Thanks for the informative thread. I'm a fan of the .22 mag, but not for concealed carry (although I did have a NAA mini-revolver in .22 mag for a while). It shines in my 5.5-inch Single Six and 77/22. Love carrying both in the field.
 
That's where the .22 mag shines. I have a Marlin 882 with an older Tasco that was made in Japan. I like "sniping" bunnies and squirrels with it. Though a neat idea, I kinda hate the PMR 30. Since it became popular and easier to get, the .22 mag rounds are unobtanium.
 
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