.223 32 grain black tip bullets

[jeffalfrd]

hey everyone im still kinda new, but have learned a lot from reading in this forum. I have a question about some bullets I bought from RMR they are 32 grain black tips (actually weigh anywhere from 30.5 to 32.3) I am not having any luck finding any loading data. I don't wanna just start pouring powder in the case ramming the bullet in there and start shooting. i have only been reloading for about 8 months now, although i have a little experience i still religiously cross reference and triple check each new load from various sources before i experiment with a new load, I do see some loading data in some of my manuals for bullets close to the weight, data for 30-36 grains but not a specific bullet type. that is the other problem i have is i cannot find another bullet in any of my books with a profile similar to the 32 grain black tip and am unsure of the proper seating depth for this type of bullet. experimenting with dummy rounds, i have seated a few in some cases and have found out that to get the complete cartridge to an average OAL. i have to screw my seating die in all the way. because of the profile of the bullet being so pointy i guess i would say,the seating die doesn't come in contact with the bullet high enough to really seat it too deep so i guess there is no problem there, but anyway sorry this post is so long i was just trying to give a lot of detail to what i have tried so far. the fact i have to screw my seating die in all the way just has me nervous. (lee precision bullet seating die) any info that some experienced veterans have to give would be greatly appreciated. since this bullet is an army surplus i think, i don't know where to find data. hopefully someone else has bought some of these and experimented with them. but anyway thanks for reading and i hope to be able to help in the future also.

 

[longdayjake]

Well, insurance doesn't like me to give any load data advice, but we won't tell them okay?
Anyway, your best bet is to start with data for a 40 grain bullet. The ss190 bullets are about as long as a 60 grain bullet so you have a lot more bearing surface than a lead core projectile so I wouldn't start with data for a typical 30 grain bullet. As long as you find a load that can cycle whatever gun you are shooting them in, you don't need to run the loads so hot that you burn up your barrel. Some guys are trying for 4000 fps with these bullets and though thats one heck of a AP bullet, it is probably not the best thing for your gun.

 

[jeffalfrd]

hey THANKS!!!!!!!!! for the info, don't worry im not one of those who is looking for something for nothing if you know what i mean. so any advice you give me is strictly on me. I know I take FULL responsibility when i load my ammo and shoot my gun so thanks a lot for the advice, and hopefully i can offer up some to you one day but i highly doubt you will ever need any. I try to learn new things everyday, 4000 fps is nice but as long as i can make a round that will be accurate and dependable when i need it, velocity is not on the top of my list, safety and quality are my top two priorities. the further i can stretch my powder the less i have to TRY to find later, lol. thanks again

 

[KansasSasquatch]

I thought about buying some of those bullets......then I remembered that what I wanted to do with them is illegal.....which was load them in 5.7x28.....sigh....

I hope no one else bought them for that. I'd hate to be the guy who gets caught doing that.

 

[svytlana]

illegal?

 

[KansasSasquatch]

They're armor piercing bullets. As I understand it armor piercing pistol ammo is illegal for civilians in the US unless it, at least if it wasn't manufactured before a certain date. Therefore, as far as I know, it wouldn't be legal to use those projectiles to reload 5.7x28 ammo. Maybe if someone had a PS90 they could get away with it but since I don't, no reason for me to buy them as I'm not willing to risk getting caught running them through a FiveseveN pistol.