.223 question

[Sharpshooter223]

^^ Try the Vmax bullets made for varmits They are highly explosive I shoot my .223's at water bottles all the time and it blows the hell out of them. FMJ's soft points and some HP's do the little hole in the bottle effect you speak of

 

[cabinetman]

Interesting observation.....

Hi guys.

This reminds me of something that we observed not long ago.

My brother and I were shooting at an old (not antique) duck decoy at 100 yards with his Bushmaster. He was shooting Wolf .223 fmj.

The duck was about 15" long and full scale, made from pine. We set it on a stool and walked back to the shooting bench. My bro set his aim and shot ten times at that duck but it didn't move! We were all laughing our heads off that he missed that target with all ten shots. Weren't we surprised when we went to recover that duck and found ten, neatly drilled holes in one side and out the other. He had hit it every time but didn't even move that duck one iota off that stool! You could literally see right through the thing.

Next, I took aim with my MAS 49/56 in 308 NATO. Two shots and the thing was destroyed.

I can empathise with the troops who were handed these "poodle shooters" in VietNam, especially after they had been exposed to 30 caliber weapons previously. It must have been a shocker. Give me a "real" caliber weapon anyday. I may not be able to slam 30 rounds down range as quick, but I would certainly know when I hit something!

Rome

 

[355sigfan]

I don't think shooting plastic ducks has much to do with stopping power in humans. But then maybe someday I will be charged by a plastic decoy duck.
Pat

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

He was shooting Wolf .223 fmj.

Wolf uses a much thicker jacket than M193 and pushes it at slower velocities, so you don't see fragmentation. Just high velocity .22 holes much as you boted...

Here is a link discussing fragmentation of 55gr FMJ in actual flesh (hunting pigs in east Texas). In some cases, some of these boars weighed out at 245lbs. I've sat down and had dinner with the gentleman discussing the hog hunting and his comments are worth listening to in my opinion.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=179171&w=searchPop

 

[Sulaco]

I did not read all of the responses but water is a pretty sorry way to test ammo. If ammo were designed to "blow up" when it hits water, it wouldn't work too well in flesh. Shoot a dead dog on the side of the road or something and see what you think about it then.

 

[355sigfan]

I did not read all of the responses but water is a pretty sorry way to test ammo. If ammo were designed to "blow up" when it hits water, it wouldn't work too well in flesh. Shoot a dead dog on the side of the road or something and see what you think about it then.

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Actually water is a fair tissue simulant. After all were made of 70% water.
Pat

 

[Sulaco]

I totally disagree. Water is no different in one area than it is in another. The density differences in flesh are ever-changing. Not to mention bone, cartiledge, veins, arteries, organs, air, etc.

 

[artherd]

Water is a horrible tissue-simulant, almost as bad as a 15" duck decoy

 

[355sigfan]

Actually bullets expand about the same in flesh as they do in water. Bone variables and different tissue densities aside. Bullets penetrated 1.5 times in water what they do in ballistic gelatin. I know of a few manufactures that test their ammunition for expansion in water tanks because its cheaper than gelatin and works almost as well.
Pat