.223 Remington case "growth"

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I was away from reloading because of medical problems between approximately 1993 and 2015.

I have been gradually picking back up the cartridges and I used to load (as well as learning 9mm Parabellum from scratch). I just bought a 250 round batch of "once-fired" .223 brass and I dug out another 200 rounds that I had been working on back in 1993.

I assume any brass advertised as "once fired" is really "fired at least once, maybe much more" and closely inspect it. Between visual checks, the bent paperclip check and micrometer measurements, I typically discard 15% of an order of "once fired" brass.

The newer once-fired brass was mostly FC .223 REM headstamp while the older brass was a mixture of LC74, LC78 and LC80 (roughly 50 of each) with a few others (including four LC69s that belong in a museum). I keep a checklist with each batch of cases so I knew the next step for the brass was to be trimmed. I set up my Forster case trimmer to 1.750 (per Hornady manual, 4th Edition) and trimmed all the brass.

I noticed the FC brass was barely touched by the cutter. I take it that means it really was a first firing or had recently been trimmed before the last time it was loaded.

The older LC brass generated a considerable pile of brass shavings. When I saw how much brass was being trimmed, I thought a set screw on the trimmer had come loose, but the trimmed cases were all coming out 1.750, so I spot checked the length of the remaining un-trimmed cases and found them to all be 1.760 or greater. One was 1.771! I checked them with a bent paperclip a second time and found no perceptible case wall thinning.

Since there are a lot of variables (i.e. light vs. maximum loading, chamber dimensions, carbide vs. steel expander, etc.), I never thought to try and work out how much a case lengthens with each firing.

Has anyone tracked this?

If so, does anyone have an idea of a "typical" or "average" amount by which a .223 case lengthens on each firing?

Thanks.
 
What I believe you're seeing is the M855 cases having a longer neck to provide more area for the crimp. Almost EVERY 5.56 case will need quite a bit of material taken off to match the normal case length where many .223's will not....and I don't think it's actuall case stretching going on.

I've been using the RCBS Small-base X-die which does limit growth by use of a shoulder on the expanding ball. Once the case has been trimmed when you decap it the next time the shoulder will bump the mouth just as it gets to being fully inserted and this does seem to prevent them needing trimmed again...or at least as often.
 
You did resize the new batch of once fired brass before you trimmed it, right?

Would be interesting to compare head-to-shoulder and shoulder-to-mouth dimensions between old and new batches of brass to see if the difference in OAL is due to body length, neck length or both.
 
Federal LC XM193 ammunition- 5.56mm NATO factory ammo will grow a lot when FL sized. Its the hottest ammo i ever shot in a 5.56 chamber, M16. The size of the chamber is a key factor, i think. A tight chamber will keep the case body from expanding a lot. This pushes the shoulder forward so its making full contact with the chamber. Less brass expansion outward on firing.
 
You did resize the new batch of once fired brass before you trimmed it, right?

Yes.

Both batches were resized before being trimmed. Granted, the older batch was resized in 1993 and the newer batch was resized in 2016, but they went through the same sizer die.
 
They will stretch a lot the first, then slow down as they work harden. I haven't logged any numbers. Some brass will be shorter than 1.750 even once fired (The sized of course), as you have seen. FC comes to mind.

Since I went to a WFT for .223 I found it easier to just trim everything than to check every length and then trim those that needed it. If they don't need it the WFT doesn't touch them.
 
What I believe you're seeing is the M855 cases having a longer neck to provide more area for the crimp.

The M855 cartridge was adopted 28 October 1980. The LC74, LC78 and given how late in the year the M855 was adopted, most likely the LC80 brass, would have all been loaded as M193 cartridges.
 
Here is my attempt at tracking case length growth.

Thank you so much!

This is precisely the sort of thing I hoped someone had already done and was willing to share so that I didn't have to replicate it.
 
I found it easier to just trim everything than to check every length...

That's what I do, too.

I just open the box of cases and robotically:
  • Take a case,
  • Chuck it in the trimmer,
  • Spin the handle,
  • Listen for the chipmunk-like noise that comes from the stop nut hitting the collar, Remove the case, and
  • Repeat until all the cases in that box have been trimmed.

If the case was 1.750 in length or less, then it won't get trimmed and all I've done is waste a few seconds and increased the entropy pool of the universe.
 
I shoot a lot of LC once fired, I know it is once fired because it comes from military only ranges, and I've found some need a little trimming and others, well I think I'm taking a 1/4" off of it.
 
I swear FC .223 cases shrink. I have a batch of around 50 with 5 loadings and after an initial trim on some to 1.75 they have not reached that point again. Just a casual observation

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I've been loading some L-C brass from factory ammo that I've shot....XM-193. The trimmer takes a lot off of some cases, not as much on others.

Even the Fiocchi cases that I'm loading, some of them take a serious trimming.
 
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