.223 small base dies?

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I went to my local gunshop to buy some .223 dies for my new rifle and was dissapointed that all they had was a set of RCBS small base sizer dies. What is a small base die intended for? He said that it sizes the case slightly smaller than normal, what is the point of doing this? I'm reloading for a M77 bolt therefore I chose not to purchase this die set but am bummed as I can't seem to find normal dies anywhere. I'd like to just neck size if possible and then full length resize when cases start to get too big. But for now, would the small base set get me going for a while until I can find dies or is that unreasonable in a bolt action gun with a small base die?
 
They will work, but brass life would probably be shortened.

The purpose of a SB die is to be able to reload for certain brands of lever-actions and semi-autos with tight chambers.

They are normally never necessary for reloading .223 especially for bolt-guns with loose factory chambers.

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If you are reloading once fired military cases such as Lake City you may need SB dies to resize cases fired in a full auto rifle with sloppy chambers. The bases of these cases sometimes expand so much that they will not chamber in a tight chambered rifle even though they have been run thru a normal sizer die. I have seen this more so in 308 cases but it's happened in the 223's also. :)
 
small base dies are just another way to say they made it like it should have been made in the first place. I have owned maybe two dozen gas guns, never had a SB die and never had a problem except with the dies that are chambered too deep and then I trim .005" to .010" off the bottoms and re-radius.
 
I had to buy a small base die, because my standard Lee full length sizer would not size once fired .308 brass small enough, to chamber in my Remmy 700 SPS Tactical. It obviously has a very tight chamber, because once they are run through the small base die, they chamber. It cost me an extra $27, but its on the only way it will work for me. Once I fire this brass in the rifle, I can just neck size, since they will be fireformed.
 
I used SB dies on my 223s for along time and never had a problem with case life.
 
I just got finished resizing a bunch of LC 223 brass.

This brass had been fired in M4's and SAW's.

I have both small base RCBS and regular Lee sizing dies.

I resized in the Lee sizing die first. After that, I would drop the case into a Lyman case gauge. About 5% of the cases would not fit correctly, and I ran these through the RCBS small base die. It was very rare that this would fix the problem.

For me, I do not think buying a small base die is cost effective, because the amount of brass you can salvage with it is very very small.
 
I am sizing my .223 brass in a Lyman SB die. I found these Lyman dies sized the brass the most of any sizing die. Too bad Lyman stopped making them.

My service rifle gunsmith, Ronnie Morris of Match Service Works, he sees a lot of rifle problems due to oversized reloads. The basic story is that the customer has a new match barrel installed on his AR, and the customer has feed/extraction problems. The call always ends up with the customer telling Ronnie that they are use brass fired in another rifle. That other rifle typically has a huge chamber and their sizing die cannot reduce the brass enough to fit in a match/commerical chamber.

I have a hunch that manufacturers are adapting to the problems that reloaders and their standard sizing dies create. I understand Kreiger M1a/M1 Garand barrels are short cut with a reamer that has an extra large case head, and I will bet that other manufacturers are using reamers that are extra large , because of all the compliants they get from guys with oversized reloads.

I know the chamber in my 308 Ruger M77 varmit expands my case necks extra large. I would not be surprised if a Cerrosafe cast shows the chamber is large in other particulars.

Oversized cases will cause failures to extract. The rifle will crunch the case to the chamber, but once fired, the case is almost welded to the chamber.

I may be up to ten reloads on some of my .223 brass. The stuff is shooting fine. However, unless you set up a small base die with a cartridge headspace gage, you are likely to set the shoulder back too much.

I use RCBS water soluble case lube, a Redding T-7 press, and small base sizing .223 is easy.

Small base sized cases improve function, and interchangeability between rifles.
 
SB Dies

I have a Remington M788 ( ? ) in .308 Win . If I try to load brass that has been shot in military chambers , a FL die will not size it enough to chamber . I have to use my SB die .

Do not have this problem with any of my other .308 Win / 7.62 NATO rifles .

By the way , rifle manufacturers start out with a max size reamer . Each time the reamer gets dull , they re-sharpen it , making it a little smaller . Untill it is below min size and they can no longer use it in that caliber .

So , it is some what the luck of the draw , the chamber size you get . :-(

God bless
wyr
 
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