.223 with 77gr loads for AR15

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So I have been loading for .223 for a little bit now and a question has popped in my head that I may have wanted to ask before now. I have been loading to an OAL of 2.255 in order to facilitate fitment in the magazines. Now, every manual and online loading information I have found says that your OAL should be 2.260 so am I setting myself up for failure or what? 75gr not 77gr - just a dopey mistake

Damian
 
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A .05 difference? Failure in what way?
That's not a significant OAL difference. Try measuring the OAL of 20 bullets - even with match grade, you'll likely be shocked at the variance in lengths. What's critical is that they ALL fit in the magazines and get fed smoothly. Most mags will tolerate 2.260, I've a few that I can run reliably short slightly over that but I generally load for 2.255 to be sure.
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I load so that none of my rounds as less than 2.250. Due to differences in the actual lengths of the projectiles, the OALs vary from 2.250 to about 2.255. A couple thousandths this way or that matters not, especially since the parts that actually goes into the case is probably pretty consistent, if you're using good bullets.
 
Just wanting to see if anyone has had any problems due to shortening the OAL. They fit fine in USGI mags, but in Pmags they will barely fit in there tightly at 2.260. At 2.255-2.250 they have enough room to run reliably. I am using the Hornady 75gr BTHP bullets, not 77gr like I put in the title of this thread. Dodo moment.

Damian
 
I have not had an issue with 75gr Hornady BTHP bullets with COL at 2.260 in P-mags. Just lucky I guess. I've got a bunch of 77gr. Nosler BTHP bullets to try next.
 
I wouldn't say that loading to 2.260 won't fit into a PMag, but loading so that the shortest round is right at 2.250, kind of guarantees that all will fit. Maybe I should readjust my dies so that no round is longer than 2.260. That might be a better way of going about it. I don't think it makes a big difference either way.
 
i load 75 hornady bthp's to 2.250 - 2.255 so that they will run in my p-mags. if they fit in a p-mag, they will fit in usgi.
 
Seat the things for function and cut your loads if pressures are high.

I seat my 75 Hornady’s to a nominal 2.25”, which is magazine length for a AR15.

I conducted load development with various powders, N140 worked very well and I have a lot of that. So I am still loading my 75’s with that powder, though I think next I will use Varget. Maybe IMR 4895.

I am using 24.5 grains N140 with a 75 Hornady. In my Wilson barrel 25.0 was an overmax load, 24.7 a max, so I stayed with 24.5 grains. If you have a Kreiger barrel, cut the load by two grains.

It is difficult to interpret pressure signs in a AR15. Since it is a semi automatic mechanism you don’t get the warning signs of a stiff bolt lift. Since it is a push feed primers look flat at low pressures.

I found that lubricating my test cases with case lube, oil, whatever, I can see a transition between rounded primers and when the primers start to flatten. When cases stick to the chamber wall, which happens with clean cases and clean chambers, the primers back out early in the pressure curve. When the pressure finally gets high enough, cases stretch to the bolt face and stuff the primer back in the pocket. This primer stuffing flattens primers and gives the illusion of a max load. A lubricated case slides to the bolt face and it must be at the same speed as primer backout because you get rounded primers with lubricated cases where the same loads in dry cases give flattened primers.

Anyway, it works and that is my best guess why it works.

Primer reading is inexact and often inaccurate, but that and the chronograph are all you have with a semi auto.

Then you take your “best guess” safe load to the XTC match, and if you have blown or pierced primers, cut the load by a half a grain increments until it stops.

In my AR’s, I want to be at 2700 fps with a 75 Hornady. I have not had pressure problems as long as I stay within that range. I have buds who push 77’s a hundred fps faster, I don’t know why their guns stay together or why their primers are not blown.

My loads shot well until I shot out that Wilson barrel.


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[SIZE="3"]M15A2 Armalite 1:8 Stainless Wilson Match Barrel

75 gr Hornady Match 24.5 grs N140 wtd LC 84, WSR, OAL 2.25"		
6-Sep-99	T = 92 °F						
Ave Vel =	2677			 	
Std Dev =	8			 	
ES =	30			 	
Low =	2662			 	
High =	2692			 	
N =	10						
primers slighty flattened							
							
75 gr Hornady Match 24.7 grs N140 wtd LC 84, WSR, OAL 2.25"		
6-Sep-99 T = 92 °F							
Ave Vel =	2732					 	
Std Dev =	25					 	
ES =	86					 	
Low =	2686					 	
High =	2772					 	
N =	8						
Group Size
good
primers flattened
Max load[/SIZE]

M15a2199-10Xserialnumbererased.jpg
 
I load the 75gr Hornadys and 77gr SMKs to 2.260", with some going a little over into the 2.265" range. No feeding problems in 20 round Pmags or 20 round CProducts aluminum mags.
 
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