.22lr Federal on sale for $9: "Is this for a handgun?"

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Oklahoma Caveman said:
i realize that it is corporate policy but she was actually arguing with me over what was right, personally i feel its none of there business, but i guess even walmart gota cover their ass anymore
It isn't just "corporate policy," it's Federal law. They are not allowed to sell ammunition "for a handgun" to anyone under the age of 21. That's what the law says, so that's what they ask. The law may be stupid, but Wal-Mart didn't write the law. The law doesn't say they can't sell any ammo that can be used in a handgun to anyone under 21, it says they cannot sell ammo for a handgun to anyone under 21.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Wal-Mart, why do people consistently pick on them for simply obeying a law?
 
I bought a brick of the same for $9 tonight. I'll probably go back for more.
 
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Wal-Mart, why do people consistently pick on them for simply obeying a law?

Here Here!! My feelings exactly.

In my lifetime, the age thing with 22 ammo is kind of interesting.... as I grew older, the age kept being raised so that I was just slightly out of reach of the age. I believe when age was an issue, the starting age was 14, then it was 16, then 18, then 21 if it was for a handgun. I only bought 22 ammunition at one store then, so I have no idea if that was some law or simply a store requirement. Now it is not a problem. :)

I believe I will swing past Walmart and check on your sale price tomorrow. I'll buy a couple of the bulk packs. If it is otherwise, I have plenty already. The ammunition thing as far as how much is enough never stops.
 
The machine makes them ask so that they don't sell handgun ammo to minors.

Nothing sinister afoot at Wal-Mart.

I find these two statements in disagreement with each other. I should add if it is the blue box Federal it jams my semi-autos like it is coated with syrup so that really isn't much of deal.
 
I guess we shouldn't be so surprised by this idiocy. They won't even let kids buy matches nowdays. So why would they let them buy ammo?
 
My only fun is buying ammo at 3am, that really pisses them off.
The one near me has a sign that says no ammo sales 10 pm to 6 am.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Wal-Mart, why do people consistently pick on them for simply obeying a law?
Lots of Wal-Mart haters out there. They don't really need a good reason to criticize WM.
 
i then asked what difference does it make? it is the same ammo afterall. if i can buy it 4 1 then y not 4 the other? this continued on 4 several minutes. finally i just paid for the ammo and left. seems like some ppl never understand.

In this case, you are one of the people who doesn't understand.

Here's why Wal-Mart asks...

In 1987 a 19-year-old guy by the name of Miles shot and killed a certain woman by the name of Phillips with a .357 handgun using ammo he bought at K-Mart. Later, he offed himself. The children of the victim sued K-mart for negligence saying that a 19-year-old shouldn't have been able to buy handgun ammo. However, the clerk had asked what it was for and Miles said it was for his hunting rifle. Because the guy said it was for a rifle, the court said K-Mart wasn't negligent.

In 1989, a 20-year-old named Russell shot a guy named Bell with .44 Mag ammo bought from a certain Smitty's Smitty's Super Valu (sic). Bell sued Smitty claiming that Smitty's negligently sold Russell handgun ammunition in violation of federal law. The court disagreed and said that interchangable ammo was not restricted to those 21 or older.

ATF stated in a publication that a licensee may sell interchangeable ammunition to a person less than 21 years old "provided the buyer is 18 years or older, and the dealer is satisfied that it is for use in a rifle."

Then, in late 1995, an 18-year-old by the name of Cavnor bought a box of .357 from Wal-Mart shot a kid named Stone. Stone's mother sued Wal-Mart for selling the kid ammo. Wal-Mart asked for a summary judgement based on the the previous two cases (and some other things). The court denied it, saying: The Phillips case and ATF's interpretation do not provide Defendant automatic cover because a material issue of fact exists as to whether Wal-Mart's clerk made a sufficient inquiry to determine Mr. Cavnor's age and the type of weapon he intended to use with his new bullets.

So now what does Wal-Mart do? They program their POS terminal to ask for the use and age each time ammo they have coded as interchangable comes up. That way they have documented proof on each transaction that they made inquiry to determine age and type of weapon.

Can we put this one to bed now? It's not a nefarious plan, it is simply a corporation trying to protect itself from frivolous lawsuits by complying with federal statutes based on the lessons of case law.
 
I just wanna know how someone has avoided the knowledge, given this great internet of ours, and the prevalence of Wally-Worlds coast-to-coast (and maybe in Canada... unless Meijer challenges 'em to a duel...), of figuring out that Wally World uses an electronic system to card for everything from ammo to movies to booze to smokes...

I went to Wally World today, and nothing I bought required any silly questions.
 
I can remember years ago, You had to fill out a 4473 form to buy handgun ammo, batf scrapped that because (according to them) they had three warehouses of the form just for ammo, and it had never served to solve a crime.
 
You had to fill out a 4473 form to buy handgun ammo, batf scrapped that because (according to them) they had three warehouses of the form just for ammo, and it had never served to solve a crime.

Cite? When exactly was this?
 
Can we put this one to bed now? It's not a nefarious plan, it is simply a corporation trying to protect itself from frivolous lawsuits by complying with federal statutes based on the lessons of case law.
Well said.

Closed. (Hey, I said I would let it run for a while. I did.)
 
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