.22wmr ?

[CraigC]

It costs as much as the 223, lacks the power, range, penetration...

I can't believe people don't recognize the huge performance gap between the two cartridges. The .22Mag can be had in smaller, lighter and less expensive rifles. A $300 Savage will shoot MOA and handle anything up to coyotes out to 150yds. I'd love to know where you can get a $300 .223 that shoots MOA.

The cost of ammo is only comparable if you're comparing the cheapest .223 to the most best of premium .22Mag loads. In more comparable loads, the .223 will be more expensive by far. I just bought a case of Federal XM193 for $200, which was a pretty good price. Compare that to premium Hornady .22Mag at $117 for 500rds. Or compare that to the Hornady 55gr V-Max .223 ammo I just ordered at $17.50 per 20. That's $44 per 50rds.

That is not to even consider the huge noise difference between the two and that some folks might not want you shooting a centerfire .22 around their farm or ranch.

 

[The Red Hot Rider]

savage 93 with bull barrel = 1 ragged hole at 100 yards...no kiddin'.

 

[Buzzard]

Savage 93FSS (synthetic stainless) .22 Win Mag. No idea what my best groups was as this is my plinker rifle. What I can tell you is that it will regularly center-punch bottle caps at @ 100 yards using the stock fiber-optic sights. With a scope it would be freakishly accurate.

 

[Marvinash]

Min. Barrel length

The .22wmr is a lazy round - whatever you think of it's rifle performance, out of a handgun, it's no faster than a .22LR Hyper Velocity.
My question is, how far does the round have to travel to build up significant effective pressure.
MAC makes a 10" barrel insert in .22wmr that fits in a .410 shotgun. The guy at MAC says that length is optimal, my gunsmith says 'nothing less than 16"!'
Does anybody have any chrono facts or know of any charts on this?

 

[kludge]

CLop34,

Do you reload or do you have any interest in reloading? If so take a look at the .22 Hornet. It's possible to reload the Hornet for about the same price as .22 WMR ammo, and the performance far exceeds it.

 

[gbran]

Savage 93FVSS

 

[CraigC]

The .22wmr is a lazy round - whatever you think of it's rifle performance, out of a handgun, it's no faster than a .22LR Hyper Velocity......Does anybody have any chrono facts or know of any charts on this?

Hogwash and yes! This "myth" gets repeated all the time but it has no basis in reality. The .22Mag is no different from any other magnum revolver cartridge. Yes, you get a velocity boost on the order of 300-700fps depending upon the load but that does not render the cartridge useless in a revolver. They all utilize the same powders, there is nothing special about the .22Mag in that regard. The .22Mag has several advantages, firstly it utilizes a modern jacketed bullet, rather than the LR's heeled design which can only be swaged lead. A 40gr JHP will travel nearly 1400fps out of a 5½" sixgun, which is 200fps than the same weight .22LR out of a rifle. It will also propel a 33gr V-Max at 1450fps, which is also 200fps faster than your average high velocity 36gr .22LR, from a rifle. Both of which are about 400fps faster than a their .22LR counterparts at handgun velocities.

 

[peptoe]

Has Marlin ever made a semi-auto 22 wmr like the model 60? I googled it but haven't been able find anything. Would it cycle better from a tube mag?

 

[Eb1]

Yes, they did. It is a carbine. I cannot remember the model of it though, but a family member has one.

 

[SwampWolf]

Has Marlin ever made a semi-auto 22 wmr like the model 60?

In 1993, Marlin introduced the Model 922M, a semi-auto rifle chambered in .22 Magnum, having a 20.5" barrel and coming with a 7 round "clip". Don't know if this is the model you have in mind but I do know they don't make it anymore.

 

[Acera]

If you have some basic mechanical skills you can build one.

http://www.ruger1022receiver.com/MAGNUM Page 11.htm

This allows you to choose the configuration and components you want.

 

[Marvinash]

Hogwash and yes! This "myth" gets repeated all the time but it has no basis in reality. The .22Mag is no different from any other magnum revolver cartridge. Yes, you get a velocity boost on the order of 300-700fps depending upon the load but that does not render the cartridge useless in a revolver. They all utilize the same powders, there is nothing special about the .22Mag in that regard. The .22Mag has several advantages, firstly it utilizes a modern jacketed bullet, rather than the LR's heeled design which can only be swaged lead. A 40gr JHP will travel nearly 1400fps out of a 5½" sixgun, which is 200fps than the same weight .22LR out of a rifle. It will also propel a 33gr V-Max at 1450fps, which is also 200fps faster than your average high velocity 36gr .22LR, from a rifle. Both of which are about 400fps faster than a their .22LR counterparts at handgun velocities.

Yes, it does get repeated. But his is the first contradiction I've ever heard.
Do you know the ideal barrel length before max. pressure succumbs to drag?

 

[oldfool]

have no proof to offer, but my opinion (guess) is that the typical 22WMR will continue to gain some velocity with barrel length out of any common barrel length, 16" to 24". the velocity gain per inch will diminish after some "optimal" point, which is maybe what your question really is.
Dunno where that point is, will vary between loads like centerfire. The poly-V 22WMR will surely max your velocity out of muzzle, albiet with lower bullet weight, but with good expansion like the 17HMR
would think no reason to shy away from 20"-22" barrels in any case.

the magnum rimfires get way too little respect as small game and varmint rounds
nobody ever said they were big game rounds, but they are pretty devastating on critters up to ~ 90#, at reasonable ranges
possum beware !
(the possum ain't yet been born that I fear with a k-48 revolver in my hand, and 6" is barrel e'nuff)

 

[butcherboy]

in my opinion: the 22wmr is quite the round for what it is. ive found it will do anything the .22lr will at longer ranges and alot better.

ive one shot killed the following with it at 25-50yds. cows, pigs(farm raised).

with the right shot placement it is a very effective deer/coyote/beaver etc round.

i would not hesitate to get a nother gun in this calibar. and i already have 2, one rifle and one revolver.

 

[CraigC]

Do you know the ideal barrel length before max. pressure succumbs to drag?

Probably around 18-20". Whereas most high velocity .22LR loads will peak around 14". A little longer for the hyper velocity stuff.

 

[Dr T]

On Cost: I picked up some Fiocchi 22 mag soft point jacketed and hollow points online for about $7 per 50 not so long ago. I bought a carton of each--and my Savage 93 accutrigger rifle will shoot about 1" to 1.5" 5 shot groups at 100 yards with both.

It is a nice out-of-deer season ranch gun for foxes, coyotes, bobcats, and jackrabbits.

 

[Marvinash]

.22wmr barrel insert

The 18"- 20" sounds reasonable to me, but I contacted Ace up at MCA Sports in Alaska to get a barrel insert in .22wmr.
I told him I wanted an 18" insert and he said 'No!' He said the optimum length was 10", and after that the drag begins to affect its accuracy.
I thought that sounded a little short, and I said i was willing to go ahead and pay the extra $50.00 bucks and take my chances on the 18" insert.
If you've ever dealt with Ace you know he's a meticulous craftsman, but he's not exactly diplomatic. He got mad and said he wouldn't do it at any price and wasn't certain he wanted to do business with me, anyways, at that point (I hadn't been rude, sarcastic, etc - it just infuriated him that I had questioned him.)
I asked my gunsmith. He said he didn't know for certain, but 10" did seem a little short.
I think that question about the .22wmr in a tube fed auto-loader was more about a tube-fed design in .22wmr than what was available in any autoloaders availailable.
For those of us who hate pressing .22s into the spring tension of a mag (especially a rotary mag that tends to abrade the flesh) I'd like to see one too. But I don't think they've ever marketed one.

 

[Dr T]

I just reviewed this thread, and what did I find?

LAZY ROUND

ARRGH. Let us compare apples with apples:

A Hornady 22 WMR load with a 30 gr. JACKETED V-Max bullet has am MV of 2200 fps with ME 322 ft. lbs.

A CCI stinger with a 32 gr. CAST, PLATED bullet has a MV of 1640 and ME of 191 ft lbs.

While I regard 30 gr. a bit light for coyote, it would make an interesting jack rabbit round.

 

[Txhillbilly]

The Savage 93 is a great 22WMR bolt action,along with the Marlin.

Lever actions by Henry,or you can still find some decent deals if you look on old Marlin 57M's or Winchester 255's,and also on Ruger 96.

Excel Arms makes an auto loader in 22WMR.I don't know about their reliability,but I have held a couple,and they seem like they are put together well.They are pricey,around $500.

http://www.excelarms.com/acceleratorrifle.html

 

[BrocLuno]

It is what it is. There is no need to compare it to a .223 or a 22-250 or anything of the like. When a .22LR won't cut it (even Aguila SuperMAx), 22WMR is the next logical step without going to center fire.

AND, if I were going to step up the power tree into center fire, it would not be to .223, but first to .22 Hornet. A quieter round with a long history and nice performance

 

[jpwilly]

I can't believe people don't recognize the huge performance gap between the two cartridges. The .22Mag can be had in smaller, lighter and less expensive rifles. A $300 Savage will shoot MOA and handle anything up to coyotes out to 150yds. I'd love to know where you can get a $300 .223 that shoots MOA.

I guess Savage / Stevens no longer makes a 223 Rem bolt action then...Just saw a 223 Rem Savage (non accutrigger) with scope and detachable mag at Sports Authority for $299 Dec 22nd.

 

[SwampWolf]

When a .22LR won't cut it (even Aguila SuperMAx), 22WMR is the next logical step without going to center fire.

AND, if I were going to step up the power tree into center fire, it would not be to .223, but first to .22 Hornet. A quieter round with a long history and nice performance

My feelings exactly! The .22 Magnum, especially in a rifle, offers enough extra ballistic advantage over an equivalent .22lr round to make it "the next logical step without going to center-fire". My own varmint rifle assemblage reflects this strategy: Several .22lr rifles(semi-auto, lever and bolt-actions); a Marlin Model 882 bolt-action (ba) chambered in .22 Magnum; a Browning A-Bolt ba, .22 Hornet; several .223s (semi-autos and a single-shot, Low Wall Browning) and a Ruger No.1 chambered in .220 Swift. I also have a Ruger Model 77 chambered in .257 Roberts for big varmints (coyote) and, of course, deer.

 

[Redneck with a 40]

I have a Marlin 925M 22 mag that I really like. It shoot's 1.5" groups with el-cheapo Armscor ammo. At the muzzle, this rifle has more energy than the 22LR does at 100 yards!

 

[Acera]

At the muzzle, this rifle has more energy than the 22LR does at 100 yards!

You might want to re-read you post, and change this. I think you are extremely overstating the obvious.

You might have meant to say, "At 100 yards this rifle has more energy than the .22LR has at the muzzle."

 

[Marvinash]

I just reviewed this thread, and what did I find?

LAZY ROUND

ARRGH. Let us compare apples with apples:


I said 'lazy round' a few posts back. After an abundance of chrono facts, testimonies of veteran users and availability of variations in jacketing, weights, loads etc. I think it's been put to rest that what I'd heard was a shooter's 'urban legend'. I stand corrected; I'd rather be 'informed' than insist I'm 'right'.
I now respect the .22wmr as never before, but I still wish MCA would sell me an 18" insert.