25 or 50 yards?

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No disrespect to anybody. Much talk and pictures but never any uncut video. I want to see that so I can see what it takes to get these results.
You'd think there would at least be a youtube video or two but nope, nothing. Anybody have video of these amazing groupings in progress?
I just bought my wife a camera with HD video and planned on doing some "uncut" video of 25/50 yard shot groups, but it would be at a rifle range and not sure if I can ask the entire line to stop just so I can check my shot groups. If I have success on my next range trip, I'll post here.
 
I don't think they need to post an uncut video to satisfy someone who questions their integrity without cause.
Since you're trying to make me look bad:
No disrespect to anybody. I want to see that so I can see what it takes to get these results.

I asked because I have never seen anybody use a handgun "in person" at that distance. My local range is 25 yards. At that distance, all I see are targets that look like swiss cheese.
I also asked because I wondered if it was the 1911 platform that made this at all possible. I have only shot a handful handguns and as of right now have never fired a 1911.
I did recently purchase a CZ75 which I am under the impression is a very accurate firearm. I haven't attempted anything past the 25 yards my range allows. As a beginning
shooter(no more than 2500 rounds thus far), I want to get better as quick as possible. My first sentence was "No disrespect to anybody." I thought that would have sufficed to show
that I was not disagreeing with the validity of what people write or show pictures of. I still would like to see it on video because like I said there are no shooters at my range capable
of such feat and/or are able to give pointers as how to get to that level at a quick rate. I know practice makes perfect and these pictures shown seem to be near it, but I'd hate to be practicing
with the wrong gun at the get-go. Maybe "wrong gun" is not the best description but I'm really wondering if the CZ75 platform can ever obtain results like the ones pictured.
 
Impureclient, relax, this is THR.

You are not the first one here who have asked for proof. Just because someone posts they got such and such shot group at such distance, how do we know? :rolleyes:

I am like you, I too want proof and most will post "actual" targets shot to back up their claim.

Posting digital videos is new for many reloaders/shooters. We have used VHS/C camcorders for many years video taping match stages to improve our techniques, but I have yet to post a Youtube video - so, if I have success at my next outdoor range trip (I got some .308 loads to test), I'll PM you and post a link here.


As to 25 yard groups, I have gotten fairly consistent 2.5" shot groups with my M&P45 with occasional 1"-1.5" groups off hand.

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schmecky produced some nice tight shot groups with his CZ's. Here's one - http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6819108&postcount=21

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Since most gunfights occur at under 7 yards, testing the shooting skills at 50 seems a bit much... I usually shoot on a 25 yard range, and do fine. If I'm missing at 50, I won't depend on "accuracy"... I'd use VOLUME... that's why I like my P-12 and my high-cap Rock Island... 13 and 15 rounds respectively to keep somebody's head down... past 25 yards, I start picking up rifles...

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If you're missing at 50 then use volume, that means you'll be be missing more.

To each their choices, but the whole idea of using a firearm is getting the most of it's capability. Testing at extended distance gives you knowledge of your systems' usable boundaries and your boundaries. It seems one has a tight shooting gun at 50 yards, that would be a reasonable goal. For a long time in the beginning I shot for group size. I threw in many other drills, but that group size was the focus. Even now, I determine my performance by my group size amid the other drills and shooting I do.

There are some impressive groups by highly competent shooters being illustrated here. To achieve those groups is not something one may want to view on a video because it can be time consuming. Besides, who wants to talk a talk and not be able to walk the walk?
 
As far as I can tell, the OP never mentioned SD on the original question.

If someone were shooting at me from 100yds, as soon as possible it would be 200yds, then 300yds and then a mile.

Many shooters enjoy shooting for shootings sake. It's a test/CONtest of the shooter's, handgun's and ammunition's ability to hit what's being aimed at; and it is fun to do. The size and location of the group is the "grade" for the effectiveness of all three.

With 9mm, I use 25 yds and full sight use, and 3-4" off point of aim sounds a lot better than a 16" group at 50 yds. I don't often get much better, and I've often shot worse; but it's fun to do the best you can do :what:
 
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I didn't think our little town (<1000) had any competion matches, but take a look at this. How about 100 meter silhouette PISTOL competition! I'm going to check this out. That sounds like FUN!!!!

http://www.okanoganwildlifecouncil.org/shooting-schedule.html

Like another gentleman that does not like Utube: I not only do not do Utube, at all> It would be silly for me, as where I am at, it is dialup or no internet at all and I refuse to wait 3+ hours for a 5 minute vidio clip.

PS: I wonder how many Five-seveN's I'll see there at the 100 meter pistol matches????
 
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If shooting for pleasure, I mostly shoot at clay birds at 50m (55y). Standing, two-hand hold. That is the longest distance available at my "home" range. My hit ratio (on a good day) is 4 of 5. Switching for a .22 LR and paper, I hover around 2-3 in. Several times, on a veeeery good day I managed to stay bellow 2 in (for several 5-shot targets in a row).
 
Magnumite: I just don't know if it is NRA hunter or not. That would make sense though. Almost everyone up here hunts.

I was talking to the local town Chief of Police (we live 20 miles out of town) about something else a while back, and he invited me to join the local club.

I've always just shot up here on the mountain (on our own property) so I wan't really interested...however...after seeing something really chalanging, I'm going to go check out their club. The club range is about 22 miles from here and 2000' lower than we are, so it is already clear of snow (we have about 18" left) That would be a way to get started shooting earlier.

Tonasket is a very smal town <1000 pop. (even though it is probably #3 in pop in this county). Largest town, Omak, is about 4000 pop. so I am surprised. If you do live in town, most everyone has at least 10 acres.

Wife and I retired up here 6 years ago, but we've been coming up to this area to hunt and fish since the 70's, never would have guessed.
 
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I also asked because I wondered if it was the 1911 platform that made this at all possible. I have only shot a handful handguns and as of right now have never fired a 1911.
The 1911 is a good gun for distance shooting, as are many others but even such guns as the small .380 pocket gun do quite well at about 50 yards.

Micro Desert Eagle. Standing. A couple shots passed below the target.
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SIG P238. Standing. A couple shots missed.
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And a "big gun" like the Polish P-64 (9x18) will keep all the shots on target and most in the silhouette.
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All you have to do is maintain the sight picture and squeeze the trigger and the gun will do the rest.:)
 
I would say that the VAST majority of casual shooters have no idea how accurate their pistols really are. When I see people practicing at 7 yards with a timed fire pace and missing the silhouette and then blaming the gun, it is incredibly silly. You'd have to have the barrel flopping around in the frame for it to be the gun.

Certainly a machine rest 10-shot group at 50yds the size of the X-ring is something that you should expect to pay a little extra for with either a custom pistol or some aftermarket work. I would guess that most off-the-shelf pistols should easily keep 10 rounds in, say, 6 inches at 50 yards from a machine rest, and that would translate into about 1 inch at 7 yards. Anything that falls outside of a 1 or 2 inch group at that range is a flinch, poor trigger control, or poor sight alignment.

When I hear people say that they have a "really accurate" pistol because they are keeping their 7 yard groups around 3 inches or so makes me think that they have found a pistol that is easier for them to shoot accurately than their other guns, since the pistol itself is likely being shot nowhere near it's capability.

Certainly some of the top shelf pistols are not only more accurate, but easier to shoot more accurately with great sights and triggers. I have a 1911 that I can't seem to tame because the trigger is heavy and gritty enough that my body figures out how to flinch within about 10-15 rounds and everything falls low and left by several inches at 25 yards and that is WAY more than any mechanical problem with the gun. It's all me. Regardless, I bet I will shoot better with it after I have the trigger redone, even though the pistol itself won't be any more "accurate" than before the trigger job.

I'm a poor bullseye shot, and the best group I've ever had was 100 7-X on timed fire at 25 yards during a match with my .22 High Standard. 10 ring is 3.36 inches. This was 1-hand, standing, outdoors. At least half the guys in my bullseye league shoot better than I do, and I don't find any of those targets above to be extraordinary from a skilled pistol shot. Certainly they came from a good day of shooting.

Oh, and to answer the original poster's question, I like to shoot at 50 yards slow fire both because it forces proper slow fire technique and because I'm practicing for Bullseye shooting. If I want to work on self-defense stuff, I change to a silhouette target at 7 yards, but I really don't find that sort of shooting to be as much fun so I don't do it much unless I have a tactical class coming up.

-J.
 
I feel if you can hit a pie-plate at the distance of your largest room in your house, you can do what the handgun was designed to do......farther away than that, there is little danger
 
I started shooting pistols at long range because I carried while backpacking...A rifle was not an option. I always felt that the ability to put rounds on target out to 100yds could prove useful out in the great outdoors.
I caried many different pistols or revolvers over the years, but I finally settled on the Tokarev pistol. It was a cheap pistol I didnt mind subjecting to trail abuse. It was stone-reliable. It is thin and compact. The 7.62x25 round is capable a great penetration. Finally, the flat-shooting round is easy to hit with at 100yds.
To think that a service handgun is at most a 25yd weapon is very short sighted. While the need to take a long range shot in self defense might be rare, the weapon is capable of it if the shooter is. The time to find out if you are is not when you need to, but long before. Besides, it is fun!
 
Hanging: Mighty fine target that 50 yard bullseye. I count only three out of the ten ring. Was that 6X5 = 30 shots (99 avg.) or 6x7 = 42 shots (99+avg)?
In either case, that is an NRA High Master target. Do you compete? Is that your classification?
You have a rare skill. That target is better than the National Police record of 197-8x for twenty shots which has stood since 1965. It is only a shake away from the national civilian record of 199 - 8x for twenty shots..kinda depends on when you shot the nines.
The national record for that target and twenty shots is 200-11x (B.D. Harmon 1982). I think that you have him beat on the X count. If you shot the nines in the first ten or the last ten, you are on the same page as the national record in terms of raw accuracy.
Perhaps you know all this...but others don't. A rare skill.
 
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Here is why a custom target gun is measured at 50 yards. This used to hang in my Dad's office before he retired, he shot this slowfire target at Camp Perry. I have blurred out my dad's name and his teammates' names for privacy reasons.

99-3xs. This is what it took to be competitive on a national level back then, I have no idea what is competitive today, but it has got to be even tougher

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From center to center of the two furthest holes is roughly 4 inches. If your gun only groups 4 inches at 50 yards, then there is no way you can be competitive on that level.

That being said, my dad devoted a significant portion of his life to shooting bullseye. Most people won't know the difference between a gun that groups 2 inches and one that groups 5 or more.
 
Pete D: Perhaps you know all this...but others don't. A rare skill.

I shot that target in 2008 in a practice session. It was witnessed at the time by several individuals. Basically it’s one of the best I’ve done.

When ever I show the target it stimulates conversation. I present in the context of what can be done. Some people imply that I’m a liar concerning the target and if that’s what they think so be it. I know the truth along with those that witnessed it.

I shot pistol competitively a long time ago in competition but opted out for across the course Highpower Service Rifle and Match Rifle.

I accomplished my goals and don’t shoot as much as I use to. I’ve utilized A Clint Fowler built triple lugged M-1, Springfield Super Match M-1A, Colt H-Bar Ar15 , Remington 40X along with a Remington 700 in .223 much modified for competition.

I recently acquired 7.62MM Match XM 118 Lott LC 12010 1963 production that has shown some real potential in my 40X so I’ll probably go campaigning with that combination this coming season.

I hope this has satisfied your curiosity and you are free to think of me as you wish. No harm no foul it comes with the territory.:)
 
50 yards. A light target load may work a 25yds, but as the bullet looses velocity going to 50, groups may open up. Some Bullseye shooters have a load for each range. Light for 25 yds, timed and rapid fire.
 
Hanging, there are many who will doubt one can do that at such a distance. I've shot a few 1.5" standing practice groups at 75 meters when I was actively shooting hunter's pistol sihlouette. I just tell it to those want to know what is possible. Then I tell them, "You should see what the top level shooters do". It's largely perspective.
 
Hanging, there are many who will doubt one can do that at such a distance. I've shot a few 1.5" standing practice groups at 75 meters when I was actively shooting hunter's pistol sihlouette. I just tell it to those want to know what is possible. Then I tell them, "You should see what the top level shooters do". It's largely perspective.

Like a top level violinist.

Most of us we are like children playing with a fiddle, when the top shooters are maestros.
 
So true, plus they make it look effortless. Once one really comprehends the sport they can then appreciate the dedication and skill of those shooters.
 
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