25 Remington loading question

[Durby]

I decided to finish up some old projects laying around and one of those was a Remington model 8 semi-auto chambered in 25 Remington. The 25 Remington is basically a rimless 25-35 Winchester. The Winchester was chambered in lever guns and the 25 Remington was mostly used in the model 14 pump action rifle. Since the lever and pump guns have tube magazines, all the loads for both rounds are with flat or round nose bullets, but the model 8 uses an internal box magazine so I could load up any style of bullet. All the load data I can find is for 117 grain round nose but I was thinking 100 gr ballistic tips would be a sweet deer load.
Anyone have any ideas where to start with that?

 

[rcmodel]

Cartridges of the World show max loads for 87 & 117 grain.

87
IMR 4895 powder 30 grains = 2,800 FPS
IMR 3031 powder 31 grains = 2,730 FPS.

117 grain
IMR 4895 powder 25 grains = 2,275
IMR 3031 powder 26 grains = 2,225

So, split the difference at your own risk.

I would probably Start with 24.0 grains of either and work up until you get the action to cycle satisfactory.

You can also safely use Win 25-35 reloading data safely if you can find any.

The other consideration is whether you can get enough velocity to get a 100 BT designing for higher velocity calibers to perform satisfactorily on game?

rc

 

[Sunray]

Pump guns require FL resizing every time for starters.
There is 87 and 117 grain cast and jacketed data on Reloader's Nest. Not much, but it's there. Uses "normal" powders too.
And 100 grain data on Steve's Reloading Pages(gotta put him in for an Order of Canada). More weights and more 117 grain data too. http://stevespages.com/page8a.htm
If you don't have dies, go sell a kidney. Midway wants $44.99 for Hornady dies. Not too bad. RCBS starts at $150.99 and are special order only. Ditto for Redding. Midway says they have the Hornady and there's some kind of rebate available. Case forming dies start at $150ish plus.
Got brass? .25 Rem can be made from .30 Rem. Midway wants $38.49 per 20 for Quality .25 Rem, that's on 'out of stock, no back order'.
$26.99 per 50 for Jamison at Grafs. Also out of stock. Same price and availability for .30 Rem.
$40.18 per 20 for loaded ammo at Buffalo Arms. 117 grain bullets and out of stock, back order ok.

 

[Durby]

Thanks for the info! I have two boxes of professionally loaded ammo that was re-sized from new 30 Rem brass, and Buffalo Arms has brass that is backordered but a call to them said 2 months timeframe on that.
I figured the Ballistic tip would be a good choice, the minimum impact velocity Nosler lists is 1800 fps, and the factory load was a 117 grain at 2100 or 2200 fps or so, I figure i should get another 150-200 fps with the lighter bullet. The hunting would be on small/medium CA deer, shots are well under 100 yards.

 

[dnfd737]

Oh oh oh pick me pick me!!!!!!!

So I am a monster fan of the rem mod 8 my first was my great grandfathers in 30/30 rem.....aka 30 rem.....I have since bought 1 in every caliber offering including a mod 81 in 300 savage......so I have done this with out fail for all but the 300 and the 35

I used 30-30 Winchester load data for the 25 30 and 32, however for the 25 I reduces the loads by 10% and used the heaviest 25 cal bullets I could find, I didn't have a chrono then I do now, but I have since retired the gun, I formed the brass from 30 rem brass So glad to see a fellow owner, as a hint try to buy spare parts when you can these guns are hard to fix when stuff wears out

 

[Durby]

Yeah spare parts were a little bit of an issue... that's why it was a project. It took me awhile to find the buffer spring. I found one finally, and it is on it's way. The original one went missing and the previous owner decided to make a spacer out of wood to take its place...
plus the forend was cracked pretty badly. I got that repaired and finally tracked down that buffer spring. The rest of the gun is complete and ready to go. I might try my hand at making brass from 30-30, I have a lathe and could cut the rims off easy enough.