.277 fury information long range performance

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I was reading American rifleman and saw that the army is getting a new round to go with their rifle and LMG decisions. The 6.8 common or something or another. The civilian equivalent according to the article is the .277 fury which is supposed to out perform the 6.5 creedmore. Anyone have experience with this round?
 
Anyone have experience with this round?
All sort of gunwriters got to use the civilian 277furry, and all just loved it.

Mind, there's a huge gap between the full-spec 6.8x51 and the 277furry. The former lights off around 80,000psi; the latter closer to 40K. The current 277 that's alleged to be available ins the training round spec.

The military round uses a dual-material case that wil likely not be reloadable. And the all-brass 277 case will not load to military specs.

The military notion of the 6.8x51 is a round that is meant to perform at 900-950 meters the way 7.62x51 performs at 750-800 meters. And, that performance from a 16" squad automatic weapon, and not the 13" XM5.
 
Is there a way to duplicate it or something close to the actual (not training) round? Sounds like a great round. I've agreed with my dad for a long time that something like the 243 would be a great military round.
 
Is there a way to duplicate it or something close to the actual (not training) round? Sounds like a great round. I've agreed with my dad for a long time that something like the 243 would be a great military round.

Sure if you can find a rifle action that will hold up to repeatedly shooting the military 80,000 PSI 6.8 ammunition.
 
Sure if you can find a rifle action that will hold up to repeatedly shooting the military 80,000 PSI 6.8 ammunition
I was just wondering if there is a some what equivalent round already out there but we paid for the development of a (small arm) round that isn't available to us. It was a thought rattling in my head. I'm not trying to pick an argument or trolling (or whatever it's called). It's an honest question that is stuck in my craw.
 
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Sooooooo......why not just get a 7 Rem Mag and do exactly what you want with a round that’s been around 75 years?

Just because somebody that has a keyboard and a forum gets all giggly about a new toy doesn’t make it automatically better
 
What about steel?

Part of the considerations of cartridge design falling in safe parameters is a compilation of the following variables:

1. Bolt Thrust = pretty simple formula
2. Case taper = more taper contributes to additional bolt thrust, less taper the opposite
3. Case material = expansion properties of case material plays a role
 
The 5.7x28 case was never supposed to be reloadable either, then they came to America.....
Sooooooo......why not just get a 7 Rem Mag and do exactly what you want with a round that’s been around 75 years?

Just because somebody that has a keyboard and a forum gets all giggly about a new toy doesn’t make it automatically better
Agreed.
A 7mm rem mag would make an excellent poor man's 6.8x51 replacement. At least in a bolt gun. If 7mm rem mag at 60,000psi isn't enough for you and you're feelin lucky bump it up to about 65,000psi and my god have mercy on your soul.
 
Stupid question: if the hybrid case is the way to go so the case head is steel, and thus robust enough to handle the pressure of the round, why not just make it a steel cased round?
 
Stupid question: if the hybrid case is the way to go so the case head is steel, and thus robust enough to handle the pressure of the round, why not just make it a steel cased round?
The steel case web may be too hard to form like other steel case ammo. They use some really soft steel on that steel case ammo.
 
Stupid question: if the hybrid case is the way to go so the case head is steel, and thus robust enough to handle the pressure of the round, why not just make it a steel cased round?
Full steel cases do not "release" from a chamber as "fast" as a brass case, and that can cause function issues.
 
I was just wondering if there is a some what equivalent round already out there but we paid for the development of a (small arm) round that isn't available to us. It was a thought rattling in my head. I'm not trying to pick an argument or trolling (or whatever it's called). It's an honest question that is stuck in my craw.


Either a .270 WSM with a fast twist barrel , or a 6.8 western can give the same performance in the same action length , at lower pressure . Just need a different bolt head size .
 
The steel case web may be too hard to form like other steel case ammo. They use some really soft steel on that steel case ammo.

Full steel cases do not "release" from a chamber as "fast" as a brass case, and that can cause function issues.

Both reasons are correct. I will add that all steel cases also do not expand like brass to seal the chamber when fired.

As you can see there are several reasons for the US military for going with a hybrid case for the best reliability and those extreme chamber pressures.
 
I was just wondering if there is a some what equivalent round already out there but we paid for the development of a (small arm) round that isn't available to us. It was a thought rattling in my head. I'm not trying to pick an argument or trolling (or whatever it's called). It's an honest question that is stuck in my craw.

Equivalent rounds readily available to us of the public? 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, .270 Weatherby Magnum, .270 Winchester Short Magnum, 7mm Winchester Short Magnum, 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum, 6.8 Westerner, .264 Winchester Magnum, 7mm PRC, 6.5mm PRC. OK, I stretched "readily available" on a couple of those, but the point stands that the performance of the new Army cartridge isn't anything even particularly special in the world of high-powered rifles.

I have many questions and a few concerns about the Army's hot-rod 6.8x51mm. Mostly concerning the 80,000 psi operating pressure and how well that is going to work in various extreme temperature environments. Especially with the minimal case taper, which is good for bolt thrust, and bad for feeding and extraction. It's almost as though the Army hasn't learned from the issues they've run into trying to pump up the volume of their newest environmentally friend M855A1 5.56mm round. Lots of pressure that works great for developing performance in clean, neat, controlled environments looks less great in dirty, dusty, hot, worn-out and neglected environments.

I also have concerns about how well average shooters will be able to utilize all of that performance, given that there are people who worry about the recoil of standard 5.56mm firearms. I distinctly recall watching a video of a blogger getting to try out an early .277 Fury rifle, and his reaction to the recoil was definitely a surprised "oh wow, I wasn't prepared for that!"
 
why not just make it a steel cased round?
Weight of the ammo is a critical logistical issue.
Sure, no big difference in 20 or 30 rounds. 300 toted around by the SAW gunner matters. The 30,000 rounds getting loaded in a plane matters.

concerns about how well average shooters will be able
That's what the "training ammo" is for. Now, how many will cope with a 13# XM5 carbine versus the 9# M4 carbine is a different question. Even at pipsqueak loading.

get the velocity out of short barrels suitable for climbing in and out of helicopters and APCs.
To put a fine point on it the notion was to get M-240 7.62x51 22 inch performance out of a 16" "M-249 sized" SAW.
The XM-5 was added to the thing to try and get a lower apparent price point for the whole program. Army never asked for a new Carbine, that was straight out of SIG trying to get the contract versus General Dynamics. The current contract is meant to deliver around 1500 XM-250 and only 500 XM-5.
 
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