28 Gauge: Why or why not?

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ArmedBear

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I know the 28 has a lot of fans. I don't shoot a 28, and I probably won't until we leave CA and get a bigger house -- if I get a second reloader, I don't know where I'll put it, and a third one is out of the question.:)

Here's my question:

Many 28 Gauge guns weigh the same as their 20 Gauge counterparts (e.g. Browning). They're obviously on the same frame. I know Ruger's Red Label is sized per gauge. What about others?

Is an 1100 in 28 much different from a 20?

What other guns in a sane price range have 28 frames?

Is there a reason NOT to want the little 28 frame?

Is there a good reason -- other than specific competition -- to get, say, a 28 Gauge Browning double that is nearly identical to the 20?
 
Why-

Because if one more person buys a 28 ga, Brian Williams going to have his wife bake me some home-made grub and mail it to me - that is why.

Rumor going on in the Staff about some betting going on as to how may 28 ga gun converts I get in a certain time frame...just a rumor you understand.

P95Carry best not be snickerin' either, his time be comin' too. I'll get to him through his better half.

Dave ain't saying a darn word - look at 'em, being all reverent, still, behavin' and all.

Larry Ashcraft knows, them folks in Staff a bit afraid of Larry I'm told. Larry may not be tall like some of them folks in Staff, but he gots two 28 gauges (When his wife lets him borrow 'em) and he knowd how to shoot 'em.

That is just the Moderators around this here joint ...

PJR
kudu
Will Fennell
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oh phooey, just rent the Holiday Inn Meeting Room, order up some eats...

PJR wants Cheeseburgers and onion rings...

uh huh, bunch of us Know something, you really ready for some 'splainin'?

Dang.! Onion rings, Cheeseburger and 28 ga sounds kinda nice don't it?


Brian Williams , say what ya want, but sometime back I shared about these here 28 gauges with that daughter of yours. She supposed to practicing her Southern "Oh Da-dddy!".

;)
 
If I was going to buy a Shotgun today it would be on sm's boasting of the 28 and some others. It just has a mystical load ratio that is similar to a 6.5mm rifle round and a 41 mag.
Probably,for me anyway, a 28 gauge SxS english stocked shotgun, a 6.5x55 swede and a S&W mod 58 would be just about the ultimate "Mystical 3", hard hitting, mild recoil and flat shooting.
I'm not quite immune to a Sweet southern "Oh Daaaddddddyyyy" particularly if it comes along with a glass of Sweet tea.
 
I think part of it is how hard they hit for such wee little things. Personally, I don't have a ton of experience with them, but I've probably shot a couple thousand targets and a couple handsful of birds with 28ga guns. I honestly don't think they give up much (if anything) to a 20ga.

A 28ga gun built on a 28ga frame is going to be even lighter than a similar 20ga. There is a point for each shooter where that may be a good or a bad thing. However, it's been my experience that 20ga guns tend to kick every bit as hard as their 12ga counterparts, while 28ga guns are uniformly mild.

A lot of folks have probably started shooting 28ga due to clay games, either skeet or sub-gauge sporting clays. It seems like a lot of folks who've shot a lot of things with a 28ga tend to like it.

On Friday, I pick up a new gun, which will have sub-gauge tubes in 20ga, 28ga and .410. I'm figuring the first time I shoot a 28ga shell out of a gun in the 9 - 9.5 lb range, I'll just giggle at the near total lack of recoil. Sometime over the weekend, I'm planning on shooting 4 rounds of clays, one in each gauge, and see how the scores compare. I'm betting that the 28ga won't be far off the high.
 
:D
Brian afraid to buy a 28 ga. Imagine the laughter in staff him buying the very gun that cost him the bet. :D

Brian is "almost there". He done figured out 3" K frames and all.

28gauge is better that it is supposed to be. Brister wrote "matter of bore - not choke".

Take note of the recoil of a 28 ga, ain't much, if any. Gets into Rule of 96, that being weight of payload being fired in relation to weight of gun.

UK folks come up with this a long time ago.
Being as 96 ozs equals to 6 pounds and recoil of 1 oz of shot per pound of gun is manageable.

British considered 11/16 oz correct for a 12 bore gun. 1 1/8 oz in a 12 bore was a "heavy load" and and 1 1/4 oz a "magnum load" and anything over that was either being totally uncivilized , the bloke can't shoot or he for sure was a heathen.

Pay attention here, just getting warmed up and ..where is PJR with them onion rings? Boy done got lost again, I swear!

Look at any tote board and the highest scores are going to in 28 ga. That payload of 3/4 oz does wonderous things in that .550 true bore diameter.

For the distances a ethical person shoots birds such as quail, dove, and similar, that gun totes real easy, and that recoil , being slight, very manageable, allows one to focus on target and correct basics of fundamentals, This allows for better form and better shooting.

NOT be waiting for recoil which causes a LOT of folks to do "most things right" at trigger slapping time...'cept the thought of getting whacked again, causes poor form, raising head, getting the buttstock out of pocket and ...yep sure enough, it hurts like the devil and they missed again.

One instills certain things by doing them repetititve, keep hitting a thumb with a hammer, that thumb is going flinch, jerk , jump - anything it can to get out of the way because it hurts to get hit!

Shotguns the same way. If the gun fits, the correct basics get instilled and the shooter is a better shooter.

Smart fellow learns using light loads, to get all this instilling - instilled.

Add this with that 28 ga payload of hard shot hitting harder, because it has a short shot string, and that means all them pellets are arriving more at the same time, and when they do, they hit HARD with authority!

Shotgunner was doing all the right things, not worried about getting thwacked and that clay bird dusted or that dove went up, back from force of being hit and dropped like a rock!

Skeet shooter is going to shoot a box [25 shells] each round. In a tourney 4 boxes or 100 rounds are fired.

28 ga shooters are not going to get fatigued, will retain stamina, focus and break birds, and therefore have higher scores.

Lots of folks, and I have done it, Shot the 28 ga in the 12, 20 and 28 event, [one may shoot a smaller guage than the event, not a bigger guage] and then grab the .410 for that event.

Get a reloader, because "them shells are expensive" we hear.

1. Skeet shooters and Folks that appreciate the 28 ga are the ones buying and reloading the things.
2. Appreciative folks know thier kids / family are worth the quality time to reload them shells, to spend the money on the them shells and the guns that shoot them. One cannot put a value on getting a kid/ family started out right and no way to measure the return in investment.

Guns. I do not care if the thing is H&R Topper in 28 ga, a SXS, O/U, a pump or semi, 28 ga is 28 ga, "matter of bore - not choke". Gun needs to fit.

I have been on Gentleman Quail hunts, DEEP Southern Tradition. Some folks have 28 ga guns worth more that vehicles, or some homes ...

I have also been on Fine Southern Quail Hunt, and the shooter could only use a Single Shot 28 ga. Only 1 bird to be shot from a covey.

Respect the Quail as Ruark said.

Before Non Toxic was mandated , I have felled many a greenhead with a 28ga, flooded timber and ...

Bing Crosby also appreciated the 28 ga, he also liked to hunt, and he had some Property. 28 ga was the gun you used, nothing bigger allowed.
Bing Crosby and his invited guest felled many ducks and other game.

Got a kid? Got a smaller framed shooter? Get them a 28 ga when big enough to shoot. They will make great hits, fell just as many clays, just as many birds withing limits.
Heck most folks with a 12 bore shoot too far out...

I prefer to teach new shooters with a 1100 in 28 ga. Beretta would we wise to make a semi in 28 ga.

Focus on correct basic fundamentals - not recoil.

Detached retinas, shoulder surgeries and the like, these folks , under Doctors orders, cannot shoot for sometime, and when and if allowed to again heavy recoil is NOT something they are allowed or want.

28 ga again comes into a very good niche in the shotgun rack.

"but you cannot shoot deer, or use for serious situations".

Toss a C note down. Want to bet? Do you really want to bet me an essentially .54 caliber is not "up to the task" ?

Toss that C note down - I dare you.
 
.54 caliber is proven in Wars, and taking Big Game.

Ballistic Products, Dixie Reloading and others make slugs, slug kits and slug molds.

<snatches that C note>

Oh, yeah, if it means anything, these 28 ga slugs will go through vehicle doors and windshields. They also allow an smaller person, or older gent to fell a deer too.

Armed Bear, some of this not directed at you, you knew this.

Get you a 28 ga, and a reloader. Being the quality individual you are, teaching another is just one use alone that suggests you need a 28 ga.


<fondles C note>


Steve
 
I guess I'm expected to chime in here...

Listening to people on here, especially Steve, I was intrigued with the 28. I bought my first 28 ga, an 870, in Tulsa with Steve's help in April '05. The little gun is a sweetheart.

Bought my second that summer, a Baikal SXS, used, for $350. Now, I've heard how the Baikals are ugly, this one isn't. It is noticeably smaller than my Savage 311 20 ga, and more handy, if that is possible.

Shooting pasture clays out back, I'll start with my 12 ga Citori (my main gun for over 20 years). When I'm hitting them easily, I'll switch to the Baikal. The clays are just as easy to hit with the 28 ga as they are with the 12.

Last Friday, I hunted doves with my son and son-in-law. Now my son is a good shot with his 12 ga 870. When I brought out the little SXS, he laughed and said "I prefer to use something that will actually kill doves".

I outshot him. :D

I really don't notice the recoil with either gun, 12 or 28, but my wife, who is recoil sensitive, will only shoot the 28.
 
Larry-'bout durn time you showed up.

Ya'll do not appreciate how hard I work on training Moderators and Staff around here. At least Larry been raised right in that Staff we got around here.

Al Thompson grins a lot, I got a feeling besides that 20 ga he right partial to, he gots a 28ga, just he won't fess up.

PJR, you gonna fetch them onion rings back sometime today ?

;)
 
I find the 28 kicks like a .410 and hits like a 20 at least for me my scores at skeet are the same 20 or 28 and the 28 don't kick.:)
 
PJR, you gonna fetch them onion rings back sometime today ?
Sorry Steve, I was out shooting my 28 gauge tonight. Our shooting was delayed due to a nasty hail storm that blew in.

My 28 gauge was acquired to shoot targets and it's on a 20 gauge frame. It is the same make and model as my 12 gauge target gun. The same company makes a scaled frame gun but it is significantly more expensive and is a field gun.

My first involvement with the 28 gauge came a few years ago with a three barrel skeet set. I didn't have much experience with subgauges and this was the gun helped me learn a few things.

I learned that the only thing the 20 gauge gave me was more recoil. The only thing the .410 gave me was aggravation. The 28 gauge continued to impress me with its ability to hit targets while not hitting me very hard.

Having had the 12 gauge of my dreams I decided a couple of years ago that a significant number of guns in the safe would be cleared out to fund the same gun in 28 gauge.

It was a rocky start. I had some teething problems with my 28 gauge so much so that I considered selling it. Instead I decided to make the gun right and with some alterations to the stock, forcing cones and trigger the gun is now where I want it.

In late June I decided that it was make or break time for this gun. I put everything else away and shot my 28 exclusively in preparation for an annual clays competition among a group of friends held in August. I took up reloading the 28 at the same time.

Shooting sporting, skeet and even trap proved to me that I can do just about everything with the 28 that I can do with the 12 and with less recoil.

The pay off came at the competition when I was high gun at sporting clays and beat my nemesis by 8 birds. I've beaten him before but it was so much better with my 28 gauge.

The other pay off came when I was teaching a group of women to shoot clay targets. One had her husband's 12 gauge and it was beating the snot out of here. I gave her my gun and a handful of shells and told her to shoot it instead. Now my gun has 32" barrels and she was intimidated by its size but when she picked it up she remarked at how light it felt. Even though the stock was a bit long, she crushed the first two targets and her face broke out in a grin. No more pain. She shot the gun for the next two days and I had some doubts I'd get it back. Somewhere out there is a husband who is now ordering a 28 gauge for his wife.:D

The biggest knocks on the 28 gauge are the price of factory ammo and the lack of selection in shot size. There is no non-tox, factory slugs or buckshot.

But within the ammo limitations if what you want is a light, hard hitting gun that doesn't recoil much then there is nothing better than the 28 gauge.
 
Couple of tangential notes:

Owning a 28 somehow "marks" you to gun dealers. You will be shown numerous high grade artifacts. Your will power will receive a workout.

Reloading for 28 can amortize the cost of an SL900 in a hurrry. You will awaken to find a lot of loaded 28 and a calandar.

Good luck.
 
28 ga .......

Just remember, the 28 ga Kills like a 20 ga, and kicks like a 410;)

A VERY common conversation I have at my training center with fathers[shooters]who have brought their son for his first lesson......go ahead and buy a 28 ga 0/U for he kid to learn to shoot with.... we will chop the stock up making it fit him, but he will get started on the right foot.........then when he is old enough and big enough and out shooting you.....he will take your favorite 12 ga clays gun away from you.......and you take his 28 ga back, we have a new custom stock made for it, and you have your old age, gentlemans quail/dove gun:D

Everybody wins:)
 
I find the 28 kicks like a .410

That should be about correct, since they have basically the same payload. The shot column in the 28 is shorter and wider than the 410, so you tend to get fewer deformed pellets.
 
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