2nd Amendment Case at SCOTUS: STATEMENT OF THE CASE (PART 1)

[Don Hamrick]

I came here to inform, to agitate, and to raise hell hoping to ignite your fighting spirits over the Second Amendment. I have at least given everyone hear something to think about; perhaps given you a new perspective on the Second Amendment.

CU

 

[Mark in California]

Good Luck

Good luck Don, at least you are doing something.

If we, the gun owners, do not support cases going to the SC, then the only cases that will go forward will be about some LE murdering, drug selling convict who takes the right to bear arms to the court and loses it for everyone. The court must also see honest citizens coming before it for protection of our 2nd Admendment, rather than just convicted criminals. We are infact shooting ourselves in the foot by refusing to support repeated challenges to the gun laws.

 

[Justin]

Justin,

How on earth did you come across that guy? That site gave me a serious headache.

I think the first time I saw it was in a link from Fark. Since then, Timecube's creator, Gene Ray has become the online equivalent of Joshua A. Norton.

If we, the gun owners, do not support cases going to the SC, then the only cases that will go forward will be about some LE murdering, drug selling convict who takes the right to bear arms to the court and loses it for everyone. The court must also see honest citizens coming before it for protection of our 2nd Admendment, rather than just convicted criminals. We are infact shooting ourselves in the foot by refusing to support repeated challenges to the gun laws.

I'm sorry, Mark, but I most emphatically disagree. By throwing our weight behind cases that have little or no chance of being heard, let alone decided in our favor we are doing far more damage to RKBA than benignly waiting for a case that does have a chance. Every time a questionable case is brought up and ignored we look foolish. Every time a questionable or poorly argued case is ruled against, we get shot in the foot because it sets a precendent. Going about the RKBA legal battle through haphazard, poorly funded, Joe Blow legal attacks is a fundamentally idiotic thing to do, and will only hasten the erosion of our civil rights.

Even assuming that Don has a legitimate challenge to the law, he does both himself and every person who cherishes his or her civil rights a disservice by refusing to get a lawyer to represent him. While I'm certainly no legal expert, it's my understanding that those who choose to represent themselves overwhelmingly lose their cases. Walking into a court room without a lawyer to represent you is akin to walking into a pride of lions while wearing pink bunny pajamas.

In the end, Don's attempts to save the RKBA may ironically prove to hurt us all.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Besides, let's be honest--is it not reasonable to think maybe the reason no lawyer would take his case is that he treated them the way he has treated this forum? And about the same for the NRA, GOA, SAF, etc?

That doesn't bode well for his ability to argue before the Supreme Court.

I'm not telling the guy not to bring his case. It is his right to bring his case, and that I will fight for if necessary. But when they turn him down, it's going to be because he doesn't really understand what he's doing. If you read the information he's provided it becomes pretty clear.

(I've removed the last sentence of my post because, now that I've had a night's sleep and it's not 1 a.m. anymore, it looks pretty bad.)

 

[DMF]

Besides, let's be honest--is it not reasonable to think maybe the reason no lawyer would take his case is that he treated them the way he has treated this forum?

Or maybe his case is so weak no lawyer wants to look like a fool to taking it?

 

[Cosmoline]

Wrong creek, no paddle. Cert will be denied.

 

[Jim Diver]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like they just got spammed?

 

[RealGun]

This is a good group, but I do use the ignore list feature. Unfortunately it doesn't hide threads by author. It also doesn't stop sending copies of otherwise ignored messages to subscribed threads. If one requests that a subscription be deleted, it should at least be possible to remove that person's posting privileges. Asking to be deleted while continuing to post is more than strange.

Troll goes to Washington.

 

[Risasi]

Bye bye Don! Remember the words of Lincoln...

Quote:
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."


You'll definitely have need for THAT in the future, I can tell!

Actually this is out of the Bible. Proverbs. If Lincoln said that he got it from there.

 

[Risasi]

This is a good group, but I do use the ignore list feature. Unfortunately it doesn't hide threads by author. It also doesn't stop sending copies of otherwise ignored messages to subscribed threads. If one requests that a subscription be deleted, it should at least be possible to remove that person's posting privileges. Asking to be deleted while continuing to post is more than strange.

Troll goes to Washington.
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Maybe it's a cry for help, and he's just commiting forum suicide?

 

[Risasi]

Well now. Don has been rather entertaining. But it sure looks like his time with us is done. Or soon will be.

Though troll like, he sure got the blood boiling, and we all know where we stand now.

I would be interested in having a (sane, factual) discussion with some of you as to why view the Bill of Rights the way you do. But I think I'll wait until things cool down. And probably take it over to Oleg 's new Armed Polite. Maybe this weekend.

 

[Graystar]

Actually this is out of the Bible.

Really? That's interesting. I'll have to look it up.

 

[The Rabbi]

Can we vote Don Hamrick off the board?
Heck, can we vote him off the planet??

 

[auschip]

The seagull method of garnering support. Fly in, make a lot of noise, crap all over everything, then leave. [sarcasm]Do you have a paypal account so I can send support?[/sarcasm]

 

[Don Gwinn]

Hokay, now according to Don he has left and will not return. He has not been banned, but rather has imposed some kind of self-exile, having "finished the job."



So I'm going to close this thread lest it degenerate any further into pure Hamrick-bashing, and if Don decides to post again he can start a new thread.