2nd Amendment Issues In Illinois Senate Race! It's Heating Up!

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The race for the Senate in the Peoples Demokratic Republik of Illinois is starting to heat up!

Will the voters vote for Freedom or more of Mayor Daley's Totalitarianism?

Will it be "Yes" for concealed carry & firearms freedom or just more of the same old Goosestepping & obedience to the Mayor that the Sheople in Illinois are so famous for?

Can you say Baaahhhh, Baaahhhh...????



Brady Blasts Keyes' stand on Gun Control

August 26, 2004
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

Disabled gun control activist Jim Brady weighed in Wednesday on Republican U.S. Senate nominee Alan Keyes' declaration that the U.S. Constitution grants private citizens the right to own and carry machine guns, calling the remarks an "insane" call for a return to "the Al Capone days."

"He must have fallen on his head," Brady said of Keyes. "I was dumbfounded."

Brady, 63, former press secretary to President Ronald Reagan, was partially paralyzed in a 1981 assassination attempt. Brady, a native of Downstate Centralia, lives in Delaware, but sometimes makes endorsements in Illinois races.

Brady said if he lived in Illinois, he would vote for Democrat Barack Obama in the race.

"You don't hear Obama coming up with stuff like this," Brady told the Chicago Sun-Times. "I think he'll be Illinois' choice because we don't take kindly to going back to the Al Capone days."

A Keyes campaign official fired back that Brady is "sadly mistaken" because Obama's voting record in Springfield makes him "The Criminal's Best Friend."

Keyes, a former presidential candidate from Maryland, said Tuesday he supports a system in which people undergo different levels of training before they would be allowed to own and carry various sorts of weapons.

Keyes said the Second Amendment grants properly trained Americans the right to "the kind of weapons our ordinary infantry people have access to," including machine guns.

Brady said he has never heard anything like Keyes' views in the years he and his wife, Sarah, have been active in supporting gun control measures. "He's not appropriate for Illinois," Brady said.

Brady said he still considers himself a Republican, except "when I hear s--- like this."

Keyes' campaign responds
Bill Pascoe, Keyes' campaign manager, responded that Obama's votes as a state senator from Hyde Park have earned him the title "The Criminal's Best Friend."

Pascoe said Obama supported a bill to require police to knock before executing search warrants; helped kill a measure to allow some battered spouses to carry concealed weapons; opposed tougher penalties on some gang crimes, and voted against a bill that would have banned early release for convicted sexual abusers.

"It is Barack Obama and his record -- not law-abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights -- that is the real danger to public safety in Illinois," he said.

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs defended the Democrat's record, saying it helped him win the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police.

"I think that speaks more eloquently than anybody in terms of who is on the side of protecting Illinois' families and communities," Gibbs said.


Petka, Keyes fire at Blagojevich, Obama for anti-gun rights vote and veto
August 25, 2004
By The Leader-Chicago Bureau

CHICAGO -- State Senator Ed Petka [R-Plainfield] and Republican U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes held a joint press conference Tuesday to express strong disapproval of Governor Rod Blagojevich’s August 20 veto of a bill Petka introduced that would protect citizens from prosecution if they used a firearm to defend themselves from an intruder.

Petka said he plans to ask the legislature to override during the fall session.

“The founding fathers did not intend us to live in a culture with police on every corner,†Petka told reporters. “People should be able to defend themselves.â€

Petka’s legislation was set into action shortly after Hale DeMar of Wilmette was charged with illegal possession of a handgun when he defended his two children by using a handgun to shoot a home intruder earlier this year.

Wilmette local ordinances ban handgun ownership.

Chicago Democrat U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama opposed Petka’s legislation this year in the Illinois Senate vote.

Republican Senate candidate, Alan Keyes, criticized Obama’s opposition to “allowing citizens to protect themselves.â€

“The police cannot possibility protect each and every citizen of Wilmette,†Keyes said. “There’s not enough money in the state to protect just the people of Wilmette, let alone the rest of the state.â€

Keyes said that police are “guardians of the law,†charged with making sure it is enforced. Restating Wilmette police chief’s statement that DeMar should have locked himself and his children in a room and called for police assistance, Keyes said that expecting police to protect them is unreasonable.

At one point during the press conference, Keyes defended the constitutional right to “bear arms†which, he said, means to carry them, not just own them. Reporters then asked if he supported the right to own and bear assault weapons such as Uzi machine guns.

Scott Fornek of the Chicago Sun Times assessed Keyes’ answer by writing:
Keyes only indirectly answered a reporter's question about whether he would "be comfortable if the entire society was walking around with Uzis, as long as they were properly trained."

"Have you ever been to Israel?" Keyes asked the reporter. "Because if you've ever been to Israel, you wouldn't ask that question. And in the midst of terrifying dangers, you walk around the streets of Israel and you see every other person carrying arms and Uzis and so forth and so on, and believe me, you do not feel less safe on that account."

With Obama on vacation, his spokesman Robert Gibbs told the Sun-Times Fornek, "Certainly [Obama] believes in the Second Amendment, but he also believes in common-sense gun safety laws, such as the federal ban on military-style assault weapons."

"If Alan Keyes truly was concerned about public safety, that would be his position, as well," Gibbs said.

Petka said he believes there are enough votes in the Illinois General Assembly to override the governor’s veto.

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence Asks if Alan Keyes is Serious About Legalizing Machine Guns



Alan Keyes Wants to Take Illinois Back to the 'Good Old Days' of the 1930s

CHICAGO, Aug. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is being issued by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence:

Alan Keyes, the Maryland resident running for the Illinois Senate, said yesterday that machine guns should be legal.

Not semiautomatic assault weapons, mind you -- the guns that were outlawed 10 years ago. Mr. Keyes is for legal machine guns, which came under extraordinary federal regulation in the 1930s after the guns were misused by
another guy named Al -- Al Capone.

The manufacture of new machine guns was banned under the McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986.

Keyes' comments, published today in the Chicago Sun-Times, were made at a press conference in which he was criticizing "ideological extremism" of his opponent.

"Alan Keyes sees a country where every American should be armed to the hilt with the most deadly firepower imaginable," said Jim Brady, an Illinois native who served as President Ronald Reagan's press secretary. "I cannot fathom how he could come up with such a notion. It's insane."

There are only five days left when Congress is in session before the expiration of the Assault Weapons Ban -- a law that President Bush pledged he'd renew as a candidate for President in 2000. If the ban expires, Alan Keyes will be able to fire semiautomatic assault weapons to his heart's content -- but there's no current legislation that will give him his machine guns.
 
Thats right little jimmie brady you punk, we will be armed to the hilt. Someone needs to get this idiot some serious counseling, the attacker paralyzed you, not the gun acting on its own behalf. Get over it, no sense in crying about it forever. I know very little of Alan Keyes, but I like him a whole lot already.
 
I don't agree with everything Keyes says, but when it comes to issues, I KNOW he's telling me what he really believes at least most of the time, which is refreshing. I know he's usually talking about his own beliefs because, generally, he says things about the issues that the conventional wisdom says should sink him.

He believes the 2nd Amendment means what it says, which is always nice.


Also, the media in Illinois are TERRIFIED of him. That's why they're publishing stories on activists suggesting that he has brain damage and that his views are "sh*t" without even bothering to comment on how out of line that is. That's why the Illinois Times refuses to apologize for a NEWS story that labeled Keyes a "lunatic." :scrutiny:

I mean, really, try to imagine a story in, say, the Wall Street Journal that said ". . . . but 'lunatic' and 'fringe' are words Illinois voters may have to get used to hearing an awful lot in the next few weeks, since the Democrats have seen fit to go to extremes to cherry-pick an extreme liberal who grew up in Hawaii and seems to spend most of his time on his national aspirations to represent Illinois in the Senate."

They'd be pilloried!

Why are they so scared of Keyes? They're not really scared that he'll win--not much chance of anyone doing that, no matter what. They're scared that he might make it close, or even just closer than Ryan was when he dropped out. That would mean the possibility of a sea change in the Illinois GOP.
That, and they're angry because they were enjoying their little game of anointing Obama as the next "Democrat political rock star" to use the most popular phrase. Essentially, the media says he's a "rock star" on the national scene, then they write reports on the fact that the media is saying that he's a rock star on the national scene as proof that it must be true.

Keyes is getting in the way of that, as perhaps was the plan all along, by forcing Obama to stay in Illinois and take on an opponent who, even though he is at a great disadvantage, could tear him up if Obama lets up a bit. This also keeps Obama from building national momentum and using it to help other Democratic candidates, and the average political reporter knows it and doesn't like it.
 
Obama "Bin Laden" will be bad news on the national stage for gun rights.


Sure, Illinois' senators have been anti-gun already. This disgusting excuse for a human being, let alone an American (if you can call him that) will be pro-actively engaging in anti-gun legislation.


Much like Schumer, Feinswine, Boxer, Kerry, Kennedy, Lautenberg.....you know, the marxist thugs...
 
as much as I disagree with Keyes on *most* issues

he is spot on with his ideas concerning private firearms ownership & how that reflects on the freedom of the citizenry to be more than just bed-wetters, waiting for the wet-nurse government to come take care of them . . . .
 
Keyes said the Second Amendment grants properly trained ...

Now wait just a cotton-pickin minute!! All you Keyes fans out there miss this little tid-bit?

If he was not misquoted (which is a distinct possibility these days) I submit that this little phrase proves he does not have a clue about the 2nd Amendment or the rest of the constitution.

The constitution does not GRANT us anything. The Bill of Rights is a list of things that the Federal government is explicitly BARRED from interfering with.

And where oh where in the constitution or BOR does it say anything about "the proper training".
 
I hate it when people say something like this:

Brady said he still considers himself a Republican, except "when I hear s--- like this."

How in God's green earch can Brady consider himself a Republican? The organization founded with his name has basically been a Democratic campaign organization from the beginning.

I thought it was bad enough when McCain called himself a Republican!

Gregg
 
Does anybody have poll numbers from Illinois? This is the kind of thing that might be crazy enough to work, if enough people enjoy hearing what a man really thinks, and not what the spin-doctors tell him to say.
 
And what is the military? Just a bunch of civilians with training, that's all.

I'd go for it, although there is nothing in Indiana law that precludes me from owning a machine gun without any training...
 
Keyes said the Second Amendment grants properly trained Americans the right to "the kind of weapons our ordinary infantry people have access to," including machine guns.

I've never seen a training requirement in the Second Amendment. Is this a recent development? A new secret meaning revealed only to special Republicans?
 
I guess a lot of people don't understand the meaning of "regulated"...

Now, I recognize that the "right" does not mean we each must be
"regulated" to exercise the 2nd.

But, the FF's did indeed mean we should be "well regulated".

That means, well trained, well prepared AND well armed.

Seems like a plan to me.
 
Unfortunately Keyes has no chance at all.

This is a commie leaning state (thanks to Chicago) and we will be lucky if we manage to keep our current rights intact ( which don't amount to much anyway - you all know well how IL ranks as far as gun issues are concerned).
 
"Well Regulated" in the 2nd Amendment is an explanatory clause and does not limit or condition the "RKBA".
 
Brother Keyes...

spoke here on Sunday. I was not surprised by his eloquent sermon. His topic was Christians and the church and government. Very moving. The subject of firearms did not come up. Will send a copy to those who would like one.

By interesting coincidence, Obama was here Monday, fund raising at the Civil Rights Institute and the 16th street Baptist church.

Glad I got to meet Dr. Keyes, but cannot vote for him. I have sent a contribution, and urge others to do so as well.

Here is Phyllis Schlafly:

Illinois Senate race enlivened by entry of Alan Keyes
 
The trouble with Illinois is cook county runs the state.Look at the new airport they want to build in Will county Here comes Jackson from Cook wanting to tell Will county how to run the show. Until you do something about cook county Illinois will sat the same. That is the reason I moved to Arizona a few years back The thing even here we are getting the liberals coming in about 80% from CA. The only thing that makes me more sick then seeing a Ca plate when going someplace is seeing a CA plate at the DMV getting AZ plates. Almost the same way anymore when I see an Illinois plate
 
Reversal of attitude:
Conservative calling for tax
exemption for descendants of slaves

By Christine Phillip
Updated: 6:47 p.m. ET Aug. 18, 2004

Alan Keyes, the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate who once referred to reparations as “an insult to our slave ancestors,†is now calling for a plan that would exempt the descendants of slaves from income taxes for at least a generation.

Tax exemption would give Blacks "a competitive edge in the labor market," because they would be cheaper to hire than federal tax-paying employee" and allow Blacks to be compensated "for all those years when your labor was being exploited," said Keyes, who is challenging Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama for the U.S. Senate seat.

Keyes' different turn
The ancestors of slaves would be precluded from paying federal taxes for a generation or two. The exemption would apply only to federal taxes, as opposed to state taxes, since slavery "was an egregious failure on the part of the federal establishment,†Keyes said. There would be no exemption from Social Security taxes, however.Tax exemption would give Blacks 'a competitive edge in the labor market," because they would be cheaper to hire than federal tax-paying employee" and allow Blacks to be compensated "for all those years when your labor was being exploited.'


But Keyes’ recent pronouncements are puzzling some observers, who remember his expressed disdain for reparations not that long ago.

In 2002, for example, as a commentator for the MSNBC program “Making Sense,†Keyes lambasted former D.C. Delegate Walter Fauntroy for suggesting that the descendants of enslaved Africans should be compensated for centuries of forced, free labor.

“The issue of slavery was very prominent in the minds of the young men who went into the cannon's mouth during the Civil War,†Keyes railed. “[A] lot of folks went consciously, believing that God called them to give their lives to repair the moral wrong of slavery. Something money could not do. So, they gave their blood.â€

“Now, it seems to me that by the very comparison you're suggesting, almost I feel an insult to our slave ancestors. You want to tell me that what they suffered can actually be repaired with money? You're going to do the same thing those slaveholders did, put a money price on something that can't possibly be quantified in that way.â€

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I suppose he would be a better choice than Obama, but in the end, he's just another politician saying whatever it takes to get elected. What does he think this is going to do for him? Get an endorsement form the Rainbow Push?

I have lost alot of respect for that man.
 
TheEgg

>"Well Regulated" in the 2nd Amendment is an explanatory clause and does not >limit or condition the "RKBA".

Again, what I said stands.

"Well Regulated" means that we should be "well armed", "well trained" and "well prepared".

True it does not limit or condition. For two reasons, 1) it is an independent clause and two 2) "regulated" does not mean to restrict. Regulated
has more than one meaning.

Remember the founding father that said that when "interpreting" the Constitution we should go back in time, using the context and meaning
of words from the time it was written.

My point is about what the word "regulated" means, not the grammer of the
sentence. MOST PEOPLE miss this point.

Check the following: http://yarchive.net/gun/politics/regulate.html
 
Crazy like a fox?

Hmm, being exempted from Federal income tax means you need an income first, which means that there ain't no handouts (like there would be under reparations). Assume that this would be tied to cutting existing government programs over the same time period...

Since "Blacks" aren't on the high end of the wage scale to begin with, anyone care to guess exactly how much this would cost? Figure that most are in the 10% or 15% bracket... $2k-3k a year per person?

The actual cost is nothing. Zero. Nada. Why? It is money that will never see the Federal budget, therefore cannot be added then subtracted. The only impact is on future projections...OK, if you don't follow, try this...
old: 100 workers pay Fed tax, and 15 get handouts (and/or reparations).
new: 100 workers pay less Fed tax, 15 don't pay Fed tax, and nobody gets handouts (or reparations). Suddenly it makes sense, no?
 
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