2nd Circuit - Charge Padilla, or set him free

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War on Terrorism's Legal Tack Is Rejected
By Charles Lane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 19, 2003; Page A22

In ordering the Bush administration to charge al Qaeda suspect Jose Padilla, declare him a material witness or set him free within 30 days, a New York federal appeals court has directly challenged the administration's legal approach to the war on terrorism -- and intensified the clash between the executive and judicial branches, which will ultimately have to be settled at the Supreme Court, legal analysts said yesterday.

The administration's assertion of authority to declare a U.S. citizen within the United States an enemy combatant, and to hold him or her indefinitely and incommunicado, has always been the most controversial of its legal claims, attracting criticism from across the ideological spectrum.

And the 2 to 1 decision by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit attacked that claim at its roots.

In an opinion that encapsulated the misgivings about the administration's assertions of executive power that many judges and lawyers have expressed almost since the war began, Judges Rosemary S. Pooler and Barrington D. Parker rejected President Bush's view that the Constitution gives him the authority as commander in chief to decide on his own who is an enemy of the United States in wartime -- or even to decide where the battlefield begins and ends.

"Presidential authority does not exist in a vacuum," Pooler and Parker wrote.

Rather, the court ruled, Bush needs express authorization from Congress to fight the war at home by detaining U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. The Sept. 18, 2001, joint resolution authorizing the president to use force against all "persons" linked to al Qaeda is not sufficient -- especially given that a federal law passed in 1971 bans the detention of citizens without express congressional authorization.

The court noted that the 1971 law had been passed in part to make amends for the mass detention of Japanese Americans during World War II.

Yesterday's ruling was the first time any court of appeals had rebuked the president so directly and so broadly on these issues. And Padilla, as the only U.S. citizen arrested on U.S. soil and declared an enemy combatant, presents a clearly defined test case of a policy whose wider application will probably depend on what the courts say.

Even the dissenting judge on the 2nd Circuit court, Richard C. Wesley -- while agreeing that the president does have the authority to detain Padilla as an enemy combatant -- rejected the administration's claim that he should have no right to counsel.

As a result, legal analysts said, the 2nd Circuit ruling was a more significant event than the ruling yesterday by the San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, which said that al Qaeda and Taliban detainees being held by U.S. authorities in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have a right to sue for their freedom in federal court. The Supreme Court has already agreed to rule on that question next year, so its opinion will quickly overtake the 9th Circuit's.

"The 2nd Circuit has struck a body blow to the whole theory of fighting the war on terrorism, which was to move it out of the criminal justice system and treat it as a war," said John C. Yoo, a former Justice Department official who helped design the administration's approach. "The 2nd Circuit essentially said, no, this is like crime. And if that sticks, a lot of other pieces that underlie what the government does in the war on terror are going to collapse, too."

That is precisely what civil libertarians are hoping for.

"War with terrorists is a metaphor that takes you too far," said Susan Herman, general counsel of the American Civil Liberties Union, which supported Padilla in the 2nd Circuit. "Presidential powers during war are usually limited because it's war with another country, Congress has declared war . . . and the war has a time limit. At some point, it's clear when you release detainees and repatriate them."

The 2nd Circuit opinions demonstrated how much the constitutional issues in Padilla's case hinge on difficult, subjective questions of place and time. A key question is: If the United States is at war, where is the battlefield?

Bush -- pointing to the obvious fact that the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are on U.S. soil, and that the attacks on them were carried out by terrorists acting from within the United States -- argues, in effect, that American soil is a war zone.

The 2nd Circuit majority rejected that, saying Padilla, who was unarmed when he was picked up by the FBI in Chicago, had been detained "outside a zone of combat."

Pooler, an appointee of President Bill Clinton, and Parker, who was nominated by Clinton and appointed by Bush, after his nomination stalled in the waning days of the Clinton administration, treated the Sept. 18 joint declaration by Congress as essentially an authorization for Bush to use force abroad against terrorism -- noting that the declaration lacked any specific mention of detaining people in the United States.

But Wesley, appointed by Bush, countered in his dissent that "t seems clear to me that Congress understood in the light of the 9-11 attacks the United States had become a zone of combat."

He added that "congressional authorization is not necessary for the Executive to exercise his constitutional authority to prosecute armed conflicts when, as on September 11, 2001, the United States is attacked."

Congress could not have intended to authorize the president to send soldiers to shoot al Qaeda suspects around the world while denying him the right to detain them in the United States, Wesley wrote.
 
I searched for a recent post on the Padilla case, but didn't find one. If I missed it, I hope the mods will either shut this one down or merge it.

In light of recent SCOTUS decisions, I think this one bears watching as it is likely headed their way.
 
I think this is the best news I have heard in months. If we have evidence, try him, convict him and execute him. If we don't, release him. He's an American citizen and no citizen should ever be held without charges, or the right to due process. Ever.

I mean that sincerely, too. I don't care if he's a terrorist or murderer or Michael Jackson. If we allow this to happen to him, eventually it can happen to all of us.
 
BTTT

Anyone the least bit concerned with this news?

Or is the discussion going on another thread that I missed?
 
I have no issue with the Second Circuit's decision. Detainment without charges or access to lawyers is for banana republics and totalitarian dictatorships, not the United States of America.

Charge him with a damn crime or let him go, don't make up a legal status so you won't have to afford him either the rights of a felon or those of a POW.
 
Yea, I was concerned when he was first arrested. An American citizen (if he really was) caught on American soil in league with badguys. I thought treason was an appropriate charge. I'm not really impressed with the charge of enemy combatant and thrown in the clink with no representation. Bad mojo.

Now our system of checks and balances takes over and a superior court will pass judgement--Good mojo.

Ultimatel it will head for SCOTUS for a thumbs up or down. --bad mojo. We have no real way to predict how this court will screw with constitutional rights. I always thought the first amendment was just about as clear as the second. Seems they don't want to rule on the second, the court trampled political free speech in favor of compelling government interest, created constitutional rights where none was written, and ignored constitutional rights that were written. So now we get excited at SCOTUS taking on Padilla as a constitutional issue. SO 'EFFIN' WHAT. SCOTUS has jumped the rails and we taxpayers have no way to predict the outcome. I will not be the least bit surprised for SCOTUS to come back and say, "Whatever! Do as you please. Due process and trial by jury is vastly overrated so we are going to ignore those provisions. While you are at it, why don't you rough the guy up. After all, lower costs is a compelling governmental interest. Rough him up and speed up the interrogation process."

You think I'm kidding? I wish I was.
 
The 5th Amendment isn't an individual right, it's a collective right that guarantees the states the right to give jury trials in cases involving the land and naval forces and Militia, and allowing government agents the right to fair trials in those cases when the government deems it appropriate to try them for their actions. Besides, just like all the other amendments, it's open to reasonable restrictions. We all know that the Constitution is a set of rough guidelines, not a suicide pact.

</cynicism> :barf:
 
"The 2nd Circuit has struck a body blow to the whole theory of fighting the war
on terrorism, which was to move it out of the criminal justice system and treat it
as a war," said John C. Yoo, a former Justice Department official who helped
design the administration's approach. "The 2nd Circuit essentially said, no, this is
like crime. And if that sticks, a lot of other pieces that underlie what the
government does in the war on terror are going to collapse, too."

When you have a black robe or a briefcase you tend to see the whole world as a law case and war as crime. You absorb everything into your realm of power.

It is possible to lose your citizenship by virtue of your conduct. Whether Padilla qualifies for that revocation will rest on whatever evidence is adduced.
 
It is possible to lose your citizenship by virtue of your conduct.

Technical point. There are ways to lose your citizenship, but they are never used anymore because to do so would require judgement in a reletavist world.

Seems to me that being an enemy combatant and a citizen are not mutually exclusive. If a citizen is conspiring with the enemy, then that is called treason. I would rather hang him than deport him.
 
It is? How? What is the procedure for that?

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My understanding is that this occurred during WW II, albeit with naturalized American citizens of German descent charged with treason.

I'm not arguing for unearthing this rather arcane case law. The Government should produce the evidence if they have it and hit Padilla with treason.

Bush got himself into this pickle with his own "lawbreaker" metaphors. Some reformulation may be in order. This is war, not a criminal investigation.
 
Padilla is a unique case in that he is a citizen and was on US dirt. I'll allow that distinction. He deserves at US style trial.

Goons caught on the battlefield are enemy combatants pure and simple. What we do with them is none of the business of our court system.

Foreign goons caught on domestic or foreign soil committing or planning mayhem should be judged according to local law.

Under no circumstances should our battle against islamofascist terrormongers be considered a law enforcement action. Clinton took that approach and it killed 3,000 Americans. Bush treated it as a war and the results were substantially different. It will be a disaster if our courts get ahold of enemy combatants.
 
It is possible to lose your citizenship by virtue of your conduct. Whether Padilla qualifies for that revocation will rest on whatever evidence is adduced.
If anyone qualified for losing their citizenship, it was John Walker Lindh; yet he didn't. Read the thread at TFL John Walker has done NOTHING wrong

The following is taken from the above addy but changed to reflect the situation of Padilla.

Start, if you will, at the State department web page at http://travel.state.gov/military_service.html which states

Federal statutes long in force prohibit certain aspects of foreign military service originating within the United States. The current laws are set forth in Section 958-960 of Title 18 of the United States Code. In Wiborg v. U.S., 163 U.S. 632 (1985) http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=163&invol=632 , the Supreme Court endorsed a lower court ruling that it was not a crime under U.S. law for an individual to go abroad for the purpose of enlisting in a foreign army; however, when someone has been recruited or hired in the United States, a violation may have occurred. The prosecution of persons who have violated 18 U.S.C. 958-960 is the responsibility of the Department of Justice.

Although a person's enlistment in the armed forces of a foreign country may not constitute a violation of U.S. law, it could subject him or her to Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer.

Padilla did not enter foreign service. He remained, and remains, a United States citizen.

Padilla was also not actively engaged in hostilities with the United States as he never entered foreign military service.

A short read of 8 U.S.C. 1481(a) will show the circumstances under which a person shall lose their United States citizenship. http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=8&sec=1481

Section 1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality -

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own
application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized
agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal
declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political
subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen
years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign
state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities gainst
the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer ...

Note that is says "shall"; not "may", "might", or "mayhaps".

There is no evidence that Padilla applied for naturalization in a foreign country, took any oath, or affirmed his allegiance to a foreign entity. He was also not in the employ of any foreign military.

The United States may not simply declare someone a non-citizen regardless of their conduct notwithstanding the provisions of 8 U.S.C. 1481(a).

The fact remains that Padilla was arrested without charges, without material evidence, without co-conspirators, and without any evidence that he ever attempted to gain materials to achieve the goal of assembling a dirty bomb. He was held incommunicado, without legal representation, indefinitely, in a military brig even though he was a common citizen, not a military man.
 
I've never had a bone to pick with the treatment of foreign-born people waging war against America as POW's and their detainment until the end of hostilities (although when there's no well-defined enemy I sort of wonder if that isn't a life sentence).

The whole problem I have had with the Padilla case from the start is the fact that he is an American citizen and, as such, is subject to the guarantees of the Constitution. If the government is of the opinion that he has conspired with enemy forces, then put him on trial for treason and present the evidence to a jury. But this indefinite holding of a citizen on nothing more than the say-so of the government is Stalinist in nature. Last time I checked, this is still the U.S. of A., at least for now.

Personally, I hope he hires a lawyer and brings a civil rights action against the government.
 
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