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Dumby

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1.When reading reviews and comments on how accurate a weapon is out of the box, is it refering to it's general stock performance or how much adjustments need to be made on the gun?

2.Between these two, what are general opinions for a novice handgun shooter to obtain these? (Maintenance and handling?


Ruger P89 9mm
Sig P226 9mm


3.Are Norinco knock offs that crappy for their low prices?

Thanks in advance for all/any input.
 
Accuracy varies from gun to gun. If fired from a rest you will never duplicate it holding the gun in your two hands. If fired by hand then you will never know the skill of the person doing the firing. In other words take the comments with a grain of salt.

For a novice, except for how one or the other feels in the novice hands, there is no real difference.

Not all Norincos are crappy. The 1911s that were imported in the past were very good pistols. A lot of them were used as bases for custom guns.
 
Dumby,

I can really only answer a couple of your questions, but here goes anyway. Most gun reviews are talking about out of the box accuracy. While it is certainly not unheard of for gun writers to adjust sights on occasion, it has been my observation that they rarely do. Instead, they will just mention how the pistol shot in terms of point of aim. In any event, any changes made to the review gun are usually carefully cited and explained. If you refer to the shot-group charts, the differences you see there are almost always attributable to different ammunition as opposed to a change in the sight set-up. As to your second question, I am a little unclear on what you mean by "obtain", but if you are literally asking how easy it would be to find either of those pistols, then the answer is that it should be fairly easy. As far as "Maintenance and Handling", well, thats sort of a subjective question. Different pistols break down in different ways, but as far as cleaning and what not, its all pretty standard, regardless who makes the pistol. As far as handling, thats purely subjective. You will find that different guys are loyal to different guns, and there will be no end to the reasons why. In the long run, its really about what you prefer, as opposed to what others like.

A quick note on accuracy... In my opinion, pretty much all modern (and even those that aren't so modern) stock pistols are plenty accurate, and I doubt anyone would seriously disagree with that statement. Sure, its possible that you might get a lemon that doesn't shoot well for some reason, but the chances are decidedly in your favor that you won't. The key is to focus on the fundamentals of marksmanship and to develop good habits. If you have never fired a pistol before, your not going to be any more accurate with a tack-driving race gun than you are with a stock Glock or Sig or whatever. Also, shooting a pistol well requires PRACTICE!!!! You will not, under any circumstance, learn to shoot a pistol (or any firearm for that matter) accurately if you do not shoot as much as you can. Plenty of guys on here that are way, way more experienced than me can offer you tips on how to train properly, so let me just tell/warn you that shooting a pistol is not at all like the movies or like anti-gunners would have you believe in that it is an easy activity. The reality is that it is very challenging to shoot a pistol well. you must practice and you must focus on the fundamentals. Failure to do so will simply result in missed shots, which just goes against the whole principle of the activity to begin with. With all that said, it is also fun. Hell, a day spent learning to shoot is better than a day spent doing almost anything else, and you will find that as you get better, you will find it more and more rewarding and fun to do.
 
Dumby, I'll try to answer your questions best I can.

1. Gun reviews on pistol accuracy. Generally they mention where the rounds impacted compared to where the pistol was aimed. They usually also show group sizes. If a pistol shoots good tight groups it's accurate; you just adjust your sights until your rounds impact where aimed, and remember different bullet weights will not shoot to the same point of impact. On the other hand if you get a pistol that groups all over the place no amount of sight adjustment is going to help.

2. SIG vs. Ruger? If you have a range that rents both, or friends to borrow from, shoot both and see which one you shoot best. Which one feels best in your hand? Can you reach the safety/decocker, and trigger easier on one than the other? The Ruger is a bit bulkier, but cost much less. The cost savings can buy lots of practice ammo, but if its too big for your hand that wont matter. Reliabilty and ease of maintenance are about equal. Are there any other options you're looking at?

3. Norinco copies. As earlier stated their 1911 copy is reportedly very well built. The problem is that for the last several years shotguns have been the only Chinese made firearms that can legally be imported to the US. If you're outside the US I hear the Norinco 1911s are available at great prices. Outside of that I don't know too much about the Norinco guns.
 
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"If you're outside the US I hear the Norinco 1911s are available at great prices. Outside of that I don't know too much about the Norinco guns."

Yes the Norinco handguns are availble through certain arms dealers in Canada and websites and are extremely cheap. Don't forget to do US$ conversions when judging these prices. This is where I noticed them.

http://www.marstar.ca
 
Wlcome to the forum. :D

So is $349 CND = to about $308 USD? I don't know how up to date all the internet converters are.

IMO, with firearms its more detrimental to sacrifice quality and what you really want just to save a few bucks, but then you have to eat too.

Just remember this little tidbit......the gun is the cheapest part of shooting.

YOu need to factor in cleaning kits and supplies, a holster/range bag if you plan on making life easier, and over the course of your shooting, eye and ear protection, and the ammo - whichwill end up costing much more than the gun. $10 a box adds up fast, especially since in the city you have a range fee each time you go also.
 
Hey outlaw

Nice to see you. Now I feel like less of a stranger in here!:)

The conversion you got is accurate but you need also to consider the bank fee on top of that which varies from bank to bank and customer to customer believe it or not. That one is at about 1.13$ for a dollar, with the bank fees it could be around 1.17$ total purchase for a US dollar. (variably of course) They rip you off then you're buying it the other way too!

There's three ranges in my area one downtown T.O., and a couple in the westend suburbs. I haven't gone yet but I'll be sure to let you know when I do next week.

Also, I'm still looking/researching about all the ammo cost and other associated costs as you've mentioned. One of my friends is helping me out with all that stuff and filling me in, but like you said, all gun owners have profound loyalty to their brands, rights and wrongs!
So here I am before I purchase anything!
I've been spending lots of time reading and doing searches in here...so far so good!
 
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