3 Texas men arraigned on terror charges

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DALLAS — The three Dallas-area men arrested in Michigan on state terrorism charges are well-known to cell phone wholesale and retail shops here, where managers said Monday they are part of a brisk trade in buying phones from Wal-Mart and other discount stores and reselling them to smaller shops.

In Michigan, meanwhile, the FBI said it has no information to indicate that the three Palestinian-Americans arrested with about 1,000 cell phones in their van on Friday had any connections to terrorism.

And, in an unrelated case, an Ohio prosecutor said he didn't have enough evidence to present felony terrorism charges against two Michigan men also arrested with a number of cell phones in their car.

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Adham Othman, 21, his brother, Louai Othman, 23, and their cousin, Maruan Muhareb, 18, all from Mesquite, were stopped outside a Wal-Mart Store in Caro, about 80 miles north of Detroit in an agricultural region, after employees became suspicious over their purchase of 80 cell phones.

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Across the street, at Wireless Way, a shop owner who did not want to be quoted by name said, "These guys are known up and down this street, all over here. I would swear to God and my children that they weren't up to anything."

He said he bought at least three shipments of phones, totaling perhaps 400, from the three men in the last several months.
 
After the first plane hit one of the WTC towers, wife called me at work to say it had happened. At the time, I thought tragic accident.

When she called me back to say a second plane hit the other WTC tower, I knew we were under attack.

One group of guys buying up cell phones in order to resell them wholesale, and I can swallow they were engaged in free market capitalism--even if I'm suspicious their business plan won't pan out.

Throw in a second unrelated group doing the same thing, and I'm not waiting for a third round of arrests before I'm willing to say this is clearly enemy action.
 
Throw in a second unrelated group doing the same thing, and I'm not waiting for a third round of arrests before I'm willing to say this is clearly enemy action.
:rolleyes:

How could two groups of people both figure out that there's good money in buying and selling cell phones?

Definitely terrorism. I'd also like to see Dell and HP charged with terrorist conspiracy. One company selling computers might be capitalism. Two, and something's clearly up.
 
Between 100-200 IEDs every day triggered by cell phones tend to make Uncle a little curious about cell phone buyers with ME backgrounds. Glad these guys were apparently legit. Sorry. Have a nice day.

TC
 
Okay, now let's have a "boy, did I ever jump to conclusions" from each of the people that has already tried and convicted these innocent guys.

Profiling is one thing...arresting innocent people is a whoa-different story. The propaganda about terrorism has got an awful lot of people willing to accept a police state...after all, if it prevents just one bridge blowing up...right?
 
Well, CNN has one story. Another news story about a deal of the same sort of purchases was alleged to have the "innards" being shipped out of the US. An IED doesn't need the case, earphone or speaker...

Dangfino.

At least somebody is checking on these wonderful dual-use items. I don't see it as any different from keeping an eye on pesticide technology, because of the dual-use for nerve gas. Same for some computer stuff and machining. Controlling peaceful rockets also can control ICBMs. The tooling for ultra-quiet sub propellors, remember that?

And the latest little fun toy is IEDs.

Anybody really surprised about folks being suspicious?

Art
 
Oh, sure, I agree that all sorts of improvisations are out there. But being able to punch a few numbers into a cell phone and watch something go boom at just the right moment seems to be popular. It's the ability to control the "when" that's important.

Art
 
I find the phone nonsense just that. More nonsense. When anyone can go into a great number of retail outlets and buy a prepackaged cellphone anonymously the idea that people are going around "selling cellphones to terrorists" is almost amusing.

It suggests that these guys were very gullible and were set up for this, so that some people with some very large agency budgets could show some "results" in the "war".

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What Ever It Is These Guys Are Up To...

...doesn't matter. These guys called attention to themselves in very suspicious times. If they were legit, they'd have a tax ID number. They are no less evading taxes than a drug dealer would be. Have they sold any of these phones as they claim they are doing?

I'd rather be on the side of freedom in any goings-on, but there are legal and constitutional ways to keep an eye on these activities. Let's give them some rope here and let them run, but keep one end tied to a tree and let us see if they hang themselves. Let us see if they form a legitimate business. Let's see if they set up a communication system for a terrorist cell. Let's see if they use the phones as detonators for bombs or other destructive devices.

Remember, they called attention to themselves. Well, we're watching!

Woody
 
Okay, I'm not seeing the big deal. Maybe I'm just a NeoConfascist-antilibertarian or something, but let's break this down. (which is funny, since that is the opposite of what I was accused of being yesterday)

The feds saw something suspicious. (guys buying a bunch of cell phones, that could probably be used as detonators for car bombs) Suspicious right?

There was an investigation.

They were cleared of any wrongdoing.

Now, I'm the first person to say that the feds often screw up. Constantly. I've had my phone tapped as a "person of interest" before, and it sucks.

But if you were the investigator, and you found out about 3 young muslim men buy an absurd number of what are basically car bomb detonators, and their cover story doesn't make any sense, wouldn't you want to investigate?

And so if they didn't investigate, and it had turned out that these were jihadists, and they were detonating car bombs around the country, would we then get mad at the feds for not checking them out?

I'm must be missing the right answer, because this seems to fall into a damned if they do, damned if they don't kind of thing.

Why can't we posters on THR admit that this situation sucks, and A. The government is bad. and B. The Jihadists are bad. These are not mutually exclusive things. We can use common sense to protect our country, and keep our civil liberties at the same time.
 
Correia said:
Why can't we posters on THR admit that this situation sucks, and A. The government is bad. and B. The Jihadists are bad. These are not mutually exclusive things. We can use common sense to protect our country, and keep our civil liberties at the same time.

Reason? Larry, this is the internet. :)

As a life-long-non-conformist the yoke tends to chafe me more than some (you'd think I'd have callouses). What did Mal from Firefly say? "I aim to misbehave." Anyway, I agree with you. they are not mutually exclusive. But people need to be reminded that everyone has the potential to be in the gov't crosshairs.

Keep in mind that what is done to the least of us, is done to us all; and also the law of unintended consequences.
 
I propose a three-day waiting period on the purchase of cell phones, and a monthly limit on the number of cellphones that a single person can possess.

No honest person needs 100 cellphones.
 
Firefly was the series about a Firefly Class space freighter named Serenity of which Mal was captain.

However, the line "I aim to misbehave" was also in the movie Serenity based on the series. Looks like you can go either way. I've haven't seen either of them. I guess I should.

Back to the topic, it is really hard to figure out what is really going on when the trend in the media is to sensationalize everything, all the time, non-stop. So much of the story is in the presentation.
 
The feds saw something suspicious. (guys taking flight lessons but not interested in learning how to land) Suspicious right?

And so if they didn't investigate, and it had turned out that these were jihadists, and they were detonating car bombs around the country, would we then get mad at the feds for not checking them out?

I'm must be missing the right answer, because this seems to fall into a damned if they do, damned if they don't kind of thing.
You're darn right they'd be howling.
 
Read the story and then ask yourself; If they were 60 year old grandmas and everything else was the same: would the police and FBI have acted the same way?

Frankly, I hope so.
 
Why can't we posters on THR admit that this situation sucks, and A. The government is bad. and B. The Jihadists are bad. These are not mutually exclusive things. We can use common sense to protect our country, and keep our civil liberties at the same time.

The situation doesn't suck for TracPhone! Now anybody buying these phone up just to hack them and move them to a different network can expect the FBI knocking at their door.

It's probably an unintended consequence, but it does sound familiar.
 
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