30 30 150gr hp for home defense

[foghornl]

It would be quite a bit of shooting before I got to the .30-30...(KP-90 Ruger, Mossy 12 Ga, then "The Garand"), but I keep Rem 170-Gr "Core-Lokt" soft points for my Marlin 30A.

If you are very familiar with the Win 94, comfortable/fast/accurate, etc. then "Run Whatcha Brung". The '94 beats a baseball bat every time.

 

[ny32182]

Any thoughts?

AR-15 Carbine. You may never hear again after firing one indoors, but the same holds true for any of the rounds being discussed... 30 rounds to expend as fast as you can pull, prior to a 3 second reload, and its off to the races again. If you've got multiple body armored perps invading homes in your area (holy hell) its probably a good idea to have 2 or 3 mags loaded just in case...

The .223 cartridge especially, is perfectly suited for what you are talking about. It will penetrate all but the heaviest body armor with ease, and due to the light weight of the bullet, it loses velocity quickly when going through most building contruction type materials. Some tests have even shown .223 to penetrate FEWER layers of spaced drywall and sheetrock than typical handgun slugs. I would certainly expect it to be less of an overpenetration risk than heavier 7.62x39 or 30/30, and its got all the body armor penetration capability you need.

 

[MolonLabe416]

OK, the M94 isn't real "tactical", but it's a fine weapon. It will certainly do if you will do.

It will shoot thru any soft body armor. It will break down SAPI plates, but I really doubt you'd encounter other than soft armor on a Goblin. Chances are very, very low, to the point I'd be worrying about a host of other things instead.

Jim Brockman at http://www.brockmansrifles.com/ makes excellent sights for the M94, as does Ashley Express, XO, or whatever they're called this week. http://www.expresssights.com/

 

[Larry]

You're right, as Yoda says, 'Do or do not, there is not try'.

I wish there was a way to try out different sight systems. As you may have guessed, I like to try things out, and do the best I can with things I have before trying something new.

For home defense what's the difference in performance between 150 gr vs 170 gr and hp vs pp vs core-lokt's?

 

[KW]

Here's an article talking about the use of 5.56mm for this purpose.

http://www.olyarms.com/223cqb.html

I agree with ttbadboy. If you are worried about engaging multiple threats wearing body armor in the confines of your home, 5.56mm is probably your ideal load. If you choose the right load you get a round that:

1. Will penetrate a Class IIIA vest and below.
2. Will produce devastating wounds in soft tissue.
3. Will penetrate fewer wall-type barriers then other rifle rounds.
4. Has very low recoil.

Check www.ammo-oracle.com and www.ar15.com in the ammo forum. Lots of good info there.

Then look at the options for your weapon: AR-15, Mini-14, Sar-3, Galil, Hk-93, FNC, SU-16, Daewoo, AUG etc.

Tons of options, all of which would provide a light package that would be plenty accurate for CQB, allow the optics (or irons) of your choice, and allow high cap mags (up to the 120rd Beta-C mags).

 

[GySgt]

Any thoughts?

One......OVERKILL

 

[WonderNine]

I absolutely agree with ttbadboy and MolonLabe416 on this.

However, if anyone uses 5.56mm as a home defense against goblins wearing soft armor make sure you use at least a 20" barrel for maximum effectiveness and to minimize damage to your ears. I think carbine .223's are a bunch of crap.

But for poor people like me a 30/30 or SKS in 7.62X39mm with FMJ will have to do.

I really would like a hard cast +P type load in 30/30 for penetration, preferably with a FMJ, but I've never seen any. WHICH IS KIND OF STRANGE! since 30/30 is generally a hunting cartridge! I don't get that there isn't even ONE hard cast load out there! Makers are always trying to push handgun calibers beyond their limits, why not a decent penetrating load for a 30/30????????

 

[ny32182]

I think carbine .223's are a bunch of crap.

While a 20" would be slightly easier on the ears, the edge in ballistics it gives isn't gonna make a bit of difference at indoor ranges. I've got a 20" HBAR and a 16" superlight. The 16" will still do over 3100 fps with a 55gr load in the right conditions, and all the weight reduction is in the barrel... meaning the gun balances pretty far back and can actually be fired with one hand in a pinch. It can be moved from one target to the next MUCH more quickly, and it can be gotten around corners with much greater ease as well. If I were going to pick one for indoors, or, outdoors <300 yards, it would be 16" superlight all the way.

That said, if you're gonna be using a 7.62x39 or 30/30, I think the mass of these rounds at indoor distances would be a bit much for 99.9% of perps no matter what they are wearing, and no matter what load you were shooting. Even if they are wearing very thick body armor and you hit them with a soft point, its still gonna break every bone in their torso even if it somehow doesn't penetrate... just my .02. Hopefully you'll never have to find out.

 

[Logistar]

I really would like a hard cast +P type load in 30/30 for penetration, preferably with a FMJ, but I've never seen any. WHICH IS KIND OF STRANGE! since 30/30 is generally a hunting cartridge!

My dad told me that the 30/30 should not use FMJ since (when it loads into lever-action rifles) the tip rests against the primer of the round in front of it.

He says that is why they do not make 30/30 FMJ. Is that right guys?

Logistar

 

[GySgt]

Logistar:

Your Dad is correct