.30-30 theoretical limits.

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If I were to use max loads with a .30-30, and a 7.62 match bullet @ 168 grains, what would be my fps, and energy at the end. Can you even use the 7.62 match spitzers or boat tails in the .30-30 casing when reloading? I ask as I have a bolt .30-30 and would like to use it for target as well as paper and would like to know theoretically how far, what type of speeds, etc. that the round is capable of, especially compaired to others of that cailber (7.62x39, 30-06, 7.62X54) in factory loads.
 
What brand is your rifle? Depending on your barrel length, and I'd assume it'd be at least 22" in your bolt action, you should be able to get at least 2200 fps. An older Hornady manual I have lists their 170 gr. bullet at up to 2300 fps out of a 20" barrel. My Lyman 47th Ed. manual shows one 170 gr. load @ a tad under 2300 and another at almost 2350. They did use a 26" barrel, so you might have to subtract 30-40 fps.
Another thing to consider is your brass. Though you may be using a bolt rifle designed to withstand more pressure than a factory 30-30 round generates, the brass likely wouldn't take repeated loadings using high pressure loads. An easy fix for this is to use 375 Win. brass reformed into 30-30.
For target work, 200 yards should be a cinch, and longer ranges wouldn't be a problem if you were using a scope. Many of your questions can be answered by consulting reloading manuals with good ballsitics charts (Hornady & Sierra both have good charts.). Just compare the velocities to the cartridges in question.
If you really want to target shoot at longer ranges, you might want to think about a 308 or 30-06. These are very common calibers and rifles chambered in them are everywhere. No sense straining your 30-30 when you could just get a larger cased .30 caliber. Also, the Schmidt-Rubin rifles (specifically the K-31)are .30 caliber on par with the .308 Win., easily capable of long range target shooting, incredibly accurate, and best of all, can still be had for $200 +/-.
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if its an old Savage 340 you will have some issues with the cartridge OAL. Trust me, I know. :)

Wound up using the Nosler 125 gr BT spitzers and they worked great with that little number.

stick with powders like BLC2 and the 4198's or 3031 and try to use the load data that is listed for the Contender pistol in 30 WCF and you shouldn't have any problems.

hope this helps a bit.
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Thanks for the info. If I was loading up to 200 fps, then I would only be using the brass once.

What is oal? It is a springfield 840 (well actually a coast to coast 843, but same thing). Over all length? Could you trim the brass back (it's one use with hot loads in my opinion) to keep length down? I am talking mm's here, not much.

I am not into reloading yet, just working on my options. That 2000 fps with a 170 gr bullet is actually stronger than the match ammo out of my garand (1800 +/- fps at 168gr). I am just trying to see what this little rifle can do. 200y without a scope isn't that bad with the right targets, and neither is 300 (again, has to be the right target). I am wondering why they didn't push the cartridge a little harder though.
 
scythefwd:
I know this is an old post, I wonder how your quest worked out.
I have a Savage 340, which is the same as your "springfield 840 (well actually a coast to coast 843, but same thing)".
I have reloaded 30-30 w/ 125 gr Speer TNT on 34 Gr IMR 3031. Cartridge Overall Length was 2.54 & crimped (a little, no channelure)
Cartridges that were set up @ 2.58" were too long for the magazine to feed properly.
This load seemed kinda hot and did shoot high. I don't think I'll use it again until I shoot some milder loads and work back up. I didn't have any trouble signs on the cartridge or primer, but extraction seemed 'different'. This was my first rifle reload, I was just a beginner then, but I did not wipe the case lube off before shooting, and I've been told it can cause problems.
 
Just shoot ammo that is correct for your 30-30, and learn your trajectory tables, and work on improving your hold and your trigger control.

Getting cute with oddball loads won't improve the performance in any meaningful way.
Its a 30-30. You won't be going to Camp Perry with it.

The numbers dictate that 30-30 is a good deer cartridge out to about 250 yards.
Most shooters can't hit at 100 yards unless you give them a chair and a table.
Work on that.
 
Yes and No.
I reload lots of "stock" 150 gr 30-30 rounds for lever action. Sons & Nephews like cheap accurate ammo.
Still, I enjoy playing with my own bolt action 30-30, and this is one way I do it. I have recently got some molds to try 30-30 plinkers too.:)
 
I have had great luck with 110 gr. Hollow points. There is not much room for error seating but we used imr 4895. I want to say 29 grains of powder but that was past yesterday. Pls don't try that load until I remember properly. Although those little hollow points will scream out of a marlin.
 
Old story, but while we are here...

I have a Remington 788 .30-30 that does very well with spitzer bullets.
The old 300 metre free rifle .30-06 load was the 173 grain military match (M1 style) bullet at about .30-30 velocity.
If you want the best performance you have to load long and fire single shot, though.
 
Just to drive the above points home below is a pic of a Remington 788 30/30 magazine loaded with a 110 grain Hornady v-max spritzer seated as short as possible

There is no magic platform that'll allow you to turn a 30/30 into a 300sav. I should know I've wasted a TON of money looking for one.

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If that is a Savage 340 or a Stevens 325, do not go for hot, one locking lug is not to be hotrodded.
 
[QUOTEI have recently got some molds to try 30-30 plinkers too.
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The 30-30 with it's long neck is in many ways the ultimate cast boolit cartridge. With GC hard cast 150 and 170 grn boolits, it can safely be pushed to factory J-word velocities and do so very accurately.

The Lyman #311466 152 grain Loverin in my Stevens 325 is deadly accurate.
 
WOW. It's been a long time since I read this thread.

Krochus - thanks for the pic.... I'll be loading one by one, single shot style.

All - won't be hot rodding it either. It was a wild hair idea. I'll probably stay closer to beginning loads anyways. As long as it's accurate... that's all that matters.
 
Sierra 170 grain flat nose power jacket game kings
Remington 9 1/2 large rifle primers
32.5 of varget
25.30-40
i average about 2061.5 f.p.s coming out of a 18" marlin 336
they seem to be decent- but ill be trying some h335 soon
 
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