300 BLK or 300 Whisper ?

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I would like to get something that shots .30 out of an AR platform and the ACC 300 does it but so does the 300 Whisper... I think. Would like to use standard mags,lower and bolt. Anyone one of you out there have any experience I would love to hear from you! I will be putting a can on it.:)
 
As RW Dale said.

The 300 Blackout is essentially the same as 300 Whisper, but is a specific standardized size registered with SAAMI and free for anyone to build from.

300 Blackout is quickly becoming 1000 times more popular than 300 Whisper, with a range of factory ammo, factory uppers, some rifles, etc. And if you have a rifle, upper or barrel made to 300 Blackout specs, you can use nearly all 300 Whisper ammo. Which isn't going to be relevant for long because 300BLK will be the standard.

That pair is your main option for .308 bullets in an AR-15. The other major commercial option is the 30 Remington AR, which is barely on life support - it offers a lot more power, but uses mostly nonstandard parts (barrel extension, bolt, magazines) and ammo is fairly expensive and available only from Remington. 300BLK is becoming a common standard. There is also the 7.62x40, which is mostly being supported by Wilson Tactical. It offers slightly more velocity with supersonic loads than the 300BLK, but only slightly, and it requires modified magazines, and for now no one other than Wilson is offering factory ammo for it.
 
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The 300 Whisper is also SAAMI spec through Cor Bon and Hornady states the two cartridges are identical. If you want a gun that says Whisper on it then buy from JD Jones. If you want just a generic then buy any of the 30/221 or 30 Fireball or 300 Acc barrels out there.

The round by any name uses standard .223 bolt and magazines.

I have been shooting a 300 Whisper for about 20 years now btw...

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Thanks you All!!! I did not know that the 330 BLK was becoming a standard. Lots to thonk about!
 
Actually the 300 Whisper set the standard, the 300 ACC just duplicated it and Remington started loading it under that name just as Hornady is loading the same cartridge under the Whisper name. Only difference is the Whisper has been around for over 20 years.

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Correction: Whisper has been around for nearly 40 years. The Blackout is an improvement on the Whisper concept. The Whisper cannot match the performance of the Blackout. They are not identical.
 
@ RIHNOD What are the differences between the two? I have read that the 300 can go high vel. Does the Whisper do the same?
 
Umm, it's a .30 bullet loaded in a necked out 5.56 case either way, and available subsonic or supersonic, either way.

Originally, it was the AR community's answer to being shut out of three gun competition. It was around before the first SOF match at Columbia, MO, and excluded there, too. Not a proper battle rifle, you know.

From there, it found some usefulness with the well heeled suppressor crowd. It does a good job subsonic, in comparison to say, a 10" in 5.56. As in, 240gr vs. 55. Of course it carries more energy and range, it can absorb more because of the exposed area of the base, and more mass. In a velocity restricted application, bullet size is the answer.

It does ok supersonic, but in that situation, it's powder capacity limits it. Other cartridges have more range and power from the same length barrels. For that matter, a .30-30 Winchester does. The .300 Whatever is ok, but not the optimum choice then.

What getting it approved as the ".300 Blackout", or .300BO as I like to call it, has done is allow other makers to sidestep the licensing fees of the Whisper originator, same as Les Baer did when "creating" the .264LBC - otherwise known as 6.5Grendel. And Alexander Arms did the smart thing by getting 6.5G made SAMMI, too. Now, the industry will mostly call it that, barrels will be so marked, and so will the ammo boxes.

It's all about marketing. A .30 bullet in a 5.56 case by any other name can't create it's own laws of physics. Case capacity gets more restricted with heavier bullets, a 240gr bullet barely has 9 grains of powder, the 125 bullets get 15.

6.8SPC and 6.5G will get 27-29 grains with 90 to 130gr bullets, and easily exceed 2,400fps. Hot 85gr loads in 6.8 have been consistently recorded over 3,000fps out of 16" barrels, and milspec 5.56 does that from 20".

The .300 won't ever see that from 130 grain loads with 10gr less powder, it's a compromise load. Subsonic, it's deliberately downloaded under 1,100 fps, which is why the bullet weight is used to make up the difference. If anything, if I was cage fighting feral hogs, the .300BO would be a welcome help. As an combat or hunting load, the military and public prefer something different.
 
As for matching the performance of ANY round, why bother? The point of a different cartridge is to get DIFFERENT ballistic performance. Aside from the licensing gambit, that's entirely why two different cartridges have strengths and weaknesses.

If moral superiority and adherence to a set of ethics is what is wanted, make the round kosher, but don't even begin to claim one is "better" or "flatout superior," "completely blows away," or even "is the heat!" That's all emotional fanboy BS.

A cartridge is defined by it's limitations - case head diameter, case diameter, length, powder capacity, shape of the neck, how long a bullet is loaded, what the overall length is.

Nobody can match the performance of the .50BMG, either. EVERYTHING is a poodleshooter in comparison. Anything bigger doesn't class as a small arms round.

Ammo acolytes would do well to get a girlfriend and join the ranks of mature adults.
 
Originally, it was the AR community's answer to being shut out of three gun competition. It was around before the first SOF match at Columbia, MO, and excluded there, too. Not a proper battle rifle, you know.
No, it was R&D for potential military use when suppressed weapons needed to deliver maximum damage at longer distances than a pistol, up to and including 200y.

It does ok supersonic, but in that situation, it's powder capacity limits it. Other cartridges have more range and power from the same length barrels. For that matter, a .30-30 Winchester does. The .300 Whatever is ok, but not the optimum choice then.
Right, 30-30-ish from an AR platform. With the popularity of the 300 Blackout from both the consumers and the industry (now up to 70 or so manufacturers), it will do just fine.
 
They should both be called the .300 Pooch. The Pooch Slow and the Pooch Slower.
 
I'm with stack. The only good thing about these two cartridges is the fact that they are highly compatible with suppressors. They offer no real advantage over the old standby 7.62x39 anyway. It can be suppressed with a 168 gr. bullet and less powder. Don't get me wrong I love 30 cals, but these rounds just don't hold up to the 6.8 spc or 6.5 grendel or 30 rem ar. Plain and simple. Now if one of them tickles your fancy go for it! I'm sure you will like it and have a lot of fun. More power to ya!
 
Correction: Whisper has been around for nearly 40 years. The Blackout is an improvement on the Whisper concept. The Whisper cannot match the performance of the Blackout. They are not identical.

Such as? If you are going to make a claim then back it up with some sort of evidence.
 
Go to silencertalk.com and 300blktalk.com for specifics. I'm not going to spend my time spoon feeding you if you haven't spent the time researching it yourself. The 300 AAC BLACKOUT is a .300 Whisper Improved.
 
Well that is one way to avoid the truth...lol...

How long have you been shooting the round and how many competitions have you won with it? I have been shooting it for over 20 years and have won several suppressed matches with mine.

Give me one example of a load that is safe in the 300 AAC that cannot be duplicated in the Whisper case...
 
The biggest difference I know of is that the Blackout Chamber has a bigger neck, to account for new brass, rather than reformed brass (which will have a thin neck)
 
Just calling him out since he's posted on several similar threads how "7.92x33 is superior to them all" and then disappears like the breeze when asked to explain how

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