.311 cast bullets in a .308?

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I've been thinking about reloading for my old .303 Enfield and was wondering if cast .311's would work in a lightly-loaded .308 (i.e., 10 gr. Unique). I've loaded plenty of .308 cast bullets for my old Steyr Mod. 1912 w/good results and I've been told that (slightly) oversize cast bullets work well in the accuracy department; is .003 oversize too much for an application in .308? And how about vice versa--using .308 cast bullets in my Enfield? I suspect poor accuracy would result due to lack of obturation. Anybody else tried this?
 
With modest loads, should be no problem.
With GOOD bullet lube, leading should also be near nil.

Lot of variation in bore diameters between individual guns of a caliber.

However....be a good idea to load a couple of dummy rounds to insure that your chamber will accept the slightly larger outside neck diameter..

Sam
 
Thanks for the reply, sir! I use Lee Alox lube on my cast loads and have never had a problem with leading. Thanks for the advice regarding neck diameter...I hadn't even thought about potential problems there. I'll use a dummy round for a test before loading en masse...
 
My best accuracy with .30/30 and .30/06 has always been with .311" bullets (cast that is).
It's the throats that determine what works. Just like with revolvers.
A match .308 may need a .308 or .309, but the gradual throat of an /06 or .30/30 will often shoot best with an unsized bullet as long as it doesn't exceed .312 or .313 "as cast".
 
critter, if you think the old Steyr is fun to shoot w/the original sights, you won't believe how enjoyable it is with a set of Mojo sights installed. Those sights are the reason why that rifle goes to the range with me every time now.

Goose Gestapo, I've had pretty good results w/cast .308's and I'm hoping for even better accuracy w/.311's. What kind of lube do you use/recommend? I'm keeping velocity under 1200fps, don't use gas checks, and leading has not been a problem so far...
 
For those velocities, just use Lee Liquid Alox, and skip the sizing. It'll probably give you better accuracy that way. Much less work too.

For over 1,200fps, I use Javalina 50/50 or Lee 50/50 stick alox bullet lube. But, below 1,500 fps, the lube won't matter. I have shot a .311 Spitzer Gas check bullet with just Lee tumble lube w/gas check to 2,000fps or so with H4227 and excellent accuracy through an SKS (better than any Mil-Spec. ammo through this gun).
I have to run the bullets through the sizer to seat gas checks, so I just lube them too, normally. The above was just an experiment to see how well the T-L worked, since Lee makes a mould just for this use. (Mine was not the T-L mould though)

This past Sunday, I was working on a load for my HBTR (hillbilly tactical rifle), a Glenfield-30 in .30/30. I tried 28.5 and 32.9gr of IMR-3031 with a Lee 150 FNGC and sized .311 with Javalina and Hornady GC, F-L sized brass and crimped to crimp groove.
The heavier charge was a "working" max with velocites of 2,350fps and was giving groups around 1.5" @50yds.. This will get tried on some deer this fall. Lighter load was running about 1.7-2.0" and 2,150fps.
Not too bad for a Micro=groove barrel, HUH ?
This rifle stunk for accuracy with cast bullets until I had cleaned it about 3-x with Copper solvent, and removed what I thought was some light pitting from mid-section of barrel. "Pits" are now gone, and even the dozen or so jacketed rounds I've shot through this gun since, have been much more accurate.
So, be sure to REALLY clean that barrel to get out any copper fouling before shooting CAST bullets. Some barrels it dosen't seem to matter, others it is CRITICAL for accuracy.
 
Thanks for the advice. I'll run some Sweet's through my barrel and make sure all copper fouling is removed before shooting any more cast loads through the old Steyr. Since I'm keeping velocities below 1200fps, I'll keep using the Liquid Alox.

You're doing very well with your "HBTR" with those cast loads! Legend has it those Micro-Groove barrels won't shoot cast bullets...
 
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