.32 ACP Cartridge -FMJ or Hollowpoint?

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The Kahr PM series are nice little pistols, but they are nowhere near as compact as the Seecamp pistols. The Seecamp's are much more "pocketable" and therefore more likely to be with you, especially in warmer weather.

Of course, a 9mm or .40 S&W is a better round, but what good is it sitting on your night stand?
 
The thing about these types of threads, is that I can easily find stories where the crack head druggie was shot with numerous shots of 9mm, 40sw, 10mm, 45acp, 357mag, and 44 mag; and he STILL KEPT ON COMING. Then, before I take my next breath, I can find stories of the man who killed his ex-wife, her friend, and then himself; all with a 22LR pistol and 1 shot each.
 
Shot placement can not be over sold with these smaller calibers. I carry the surplus FN FMJ flat nose exclusively in my little pocket gun. Its reliable for feed and function. I trust it to do its job if I do mine.

Out West
 
My Sig P230 is a 32acp Tokyo Police trade in. I love the way it shoots. I feed it a steady diet of 71gr FmJ Hornadys using 2.1gr of 700X for 900fps. Carry ammo is Speer Gold Dots. I do have a couple hundred rounds of Fioche HP that Georgia Arms claims 1200fps. Lots of armies carry or carried 32acp pistols. I feel comfortable with it. I also have a Walther PP(Manhurin) in 32acp.Another police trade in that shoots well but is a bit heavier than the Sig.
 
Which is better, a thinner, deeper wound channel or a bigger, shallower wound channel?

If you read the threads in the shotgun section about 00 Buck vs. birdshot, they same questions keep coming up - and the overwhelming response is to go for penetration; therefore, by analogous comparison, FMJ would be the better choice in the 32.
 
Shot placement can not be over sold with these smaller calibers. I carry the surplus FN FMJ flat nose exclusively in my little pocket gun. Its reliable for feed and function. I trust it to do its job if I do mine.
Out West

Old West,
I've carried both the FN flatpoint and the more powerful GECO FMJ in my P-32s. Since my last P-32 was just put on local consignment sale, my remaining 32 ACP ammo will probably be become available soon. I don't think these two types are still available anywhere commercially. PM me if you're interested.

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P.S. Here's some interesting ballistic test data on 32 ACP cartridges -
http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm
 
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Don't know if this has been suggested yet but I haven't seen it, and am pretty surprised by that. Get the best of both worlds and get Corbon's powerball round. FMJ profile for better feeding, but the ball at the tip pushes into the cavity forcing expansion, which means the hollow point can't be clogged by clothing. I believe it's a 55 gr. bullet at 1100 fps. That would smart!
 
When dealing with small calibers like the 25acp, 32acp, and 380acp; don't do the FMJ & JHP alternating stuff in the magazine. Matter of fact, I won't do that with any caliber. But ESPECIALLY with the small calibers. If you don't know what I'm suggesting, look up the term "RIMLOCK". And if you really want to see HOW it could happen, get yourself a box of American 32acp ammo such as lawman, winchester, etc... Then also get a box of fiocchi. Look at the rims. They almost don't even look like the same caliber. Definitely different shell manufacturing. But with the smaller calibers, like the 32acp, shoot all the same manufactured ammo. Your ammo won't nose dive, it won't rimlock, and you won't have other feeding problems.

Now; having said that, there is nothing wrong if the first round in the magazine is say a JHP and the REST in the magazine are a different type or brand, like a FMJ. Because the first round will be manually chambered. The rest are the same as each other, so it will be fine.
 
When dealing with small calibers like the 25acp, 32acp, and 380acp; don't do the FMJ & JHP alternating stuff in the magazine. Matter of fact, I won't do that with any caliber. But ESPECIALLY with the small calibers. If you don't know what I'm suggesting, look up the term "RIMLOCK". And if you really want to see HOW it could happen, get yourself a box of American 32acp ammo such as lawman, winchester, etc... Then also get a box of fiocchi. Look at the rims. They almost don't even look like the same caliber. Definitely different shell manufacturing. But with the smaller calibers, like the 32acp, shoot all the same manufactured ammo. Your ammo won't nose dive, it won't rimlock, and you won't have other feeding problems.

Now; having said that, there is nothing wrong if the first round in the magazine is say a JHP and the REST in the magazine are a different type or brand, like a FMJ. Because the first round will be manually chambered. The rest are the same as each other, so it will be fine.

A couple of things regarding rimlock that haven't been mentioned - Most semi-auto cartridge cases are rimless so rim-lock is usually not a problem. The 32 ACP case is SEMI-rimless and it is these small SEMI-rims that cause the problem. The rim of the second cartridge from the top of the stack gets lodged in front of the rim of the top cartridge preventing the top round from sliding forward into the chamber when it should.

Two other factors in rim-lock are the OAL (over-all-length) of the cartridge and the FTB (front-to-back) length of the magazine. For some reason 32 ACP cartridges loaded with JHP bullets tend to be shorter than those loaded with FMJ bullets. If a magazine is designed to use only JHP cartridges, it can have a short FTB length and the likelyhood of rimlock is minimized or eliminated, but FMJ cartidges won't fit in these mags.

Kel Tec 32 ACP mags, for example, are designed to accept either JHP or FMJ cartidges so they tend to be longer front-to back. Using JHP ammo (either exclusively or mixed with FMJ) in these longer magazines makes rim-lock more likely unless the magazine is fitted with a spacer to shorten the FTB length or only the top round is JHP.

I've been in gunshops with otherwise knowledgeable personnel and asked if they were aware of rim-lock and most never heard of it. I borrowed a KT P-32 mag and a few rounds of JHP and manually induced rim-lock by usng a small screwdriver to push the second round forward in the mag and leaving the top round further back. I then gave the "experts" the rim-locked mag and asked them to chamber a round or simulate chambering it by sliding the top round forward. Their mouths dropped open with instant belief.

The solution to what otherwise could be a fatal malfunction is to use only FMJ or other cartridges that are too long to rim-lock or to use some type of spacer that slides down behind the shorter rounds to prevent some getting their rims in front of the top round or to use JHP in only the top round of the mag and FMJ in the rest.

If you study the data at the Goldenloki site I referenced in an earlier post, you'll see that in his tests most 32 ACP JHP rounds either did not expand reliably or if they did expand, they did not penetrate as well as FMJ. You might reach the conclusion that using only the better penetrating FMJ rounds is preferrable to using JHP rounds that perform poorly and can rim-lock.

*** I also would like to note that I did not personally come to all these conclusions. It was a group effort of members of the original KTOG forum (that's been around for more than 10 years) now found on Yahoo Groups http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/ktog/
 
Thanks ranger for expounding. My brain was on one topic and I was posting another. I should have emphasized 32acp. However; even though not technically rimlock, there are a lot of different manufacturers that make ammunition, and I have found the OAL can sometimes be different enough between different manufacturers to be an issue. There are SAAMI specs, but they aren't an exact science. For instance; I have a couple of pro-mag magazines for my SigSauer P220 45acp. If I put all FMJ in the magazine; it works great. If I use all JHP; it works great. I was cleaning out a misc box of ammo that I had; all factory loads, just the leftover 2-3 rounds per box for a few years. I had about 70-80 rounds. Probably 5 or more different manufacturers. If I loaded this randomly, I could get a Fail to feed, stovepipe, or some other malfunction at least once every few magazines. My original Sig Magazines didn't have the issue. The pro-mag didn't have an issue EVER if all ammo was the same in the magazine. But when going through about 10 magazines of the hodge podge misc. ammo; I had about 5-6 feeding problems.

So; my advice is when it comes to self defense ammo; never mix ammo in your magazine. The smaller the caliber/cartridge, the more chance of issues. If you reload; try to use the brass from the same company. With a 380 or 32auto; use FMJ unless you are using higher velocity ammo that you are sure can expand. I.e. I will use Fiocchi HP or the fiocchi XTP HP in my FEG 32acp, but I won't use Federal. The Fiocchi HP is at 1200 fps and and XTP HP is over 1000. It is designed to expand at those velocities. I also advise to check the type of weapon and ammo combination. For instance, my FEG couldn't jam or have an issue no matter how hard I try to make it, IF I use european ammo. European gun using european ammo. Fiocchi, S&B, etc... It definitely doesn't like lawman, winchester, or a few others. Likewise, my brother's ruger P89 he loves; but if you give it silver bear, wolff, or other Non-USA ammo, it will puke on you.
 
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