VARifleman
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Mabye JMB did, but now we have .38 super comp that alleviates that problem as well for those wanting .38 super ballistics.
.32 auto rimlock is real
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Early design .380 pistols had extractor and ejection issues.
If you work on guns you will see this problem.
Walther PP and PPK pistols and Colt 1908s were probably the worst.
Even the fairly Modern Colt Mustang and .380 Government are not the most reliable small handguns because of too weak an extractor.
The Beretta 1934 solved some problems with a heavier extractor and more open ejection port.
Most modern pistols using modern ammunition are 1000 times more reliable than the early pistol and ammunition designs.
If you work on guns you will see this problem.
Walther PP and PPK pistols and Colt 1908s were probably the worst.
Even the fairly Modern Colt Mustang and .380 Government are not the most reliable small handguns because of too weak an extractor.
The Beretta 1934 solved some problems with a heavier extractor and more open ejection port.
Most modern pistols using modern ammunition are 1000 times more reliable than the early pistol and ammunition designs.
LightningJoe
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I've experienced rimlock with JHP in my P-32. I only use FMJ now. You can modify the magazines to prevent rimlock with hollowpoints, but you're probably better off with FMJ out of a .32 anyway.
Rimlock is a serious malfunction that can't quickly be cleared. In an actual encounter, your gun would be disabled.
Rimlock is a serious malfunction that can't quickly be cleared. In an actual encounter, your gun would be disabled.
EricShelton
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My, oh my...
Spent a few rounds today in my KelTec P32, and yeah, rimlock is real.
I had it happen twice, I could've sworn I was being careful loading the magazines, and one of the rimlocked mags was the one I was carrying.
And yes, I had rimlock stop my firing. So don't believe that the slide/recoil will overcome rimlock. It'll stop your shooting cold. The gent earlier who said he was carrying a .32 derringer couldn't have been more right.
An interesting note, I also experienced to failures to eject using HydraShok, but CorBon functioned perfectly, if you discount the rimlock that stopped me on my second round. I had to take the magazine baseplate off...
I love my little .32, but I'm thinking it may get sold to finance a 1911 or a j-frame...
Spent a few rounds today in my KelTec P32, and yeah, rimlock is real.
I had it happen twice, I could've sworn I was being careful loading the magazines, and one of the rimlocked mags was the one I was carrying.
And yes, I had rimlock stop my firing. So don't believe that the slide/recoil will overcome rimlock. It'll stop your shooting cold. The gent earlier who said he was carrying a .32 derringer couldn't have been more right.
An interesting note, I also experienced to failures to eject using HydraShok, but CorBon functioned perfectly, if you discount the rimlock that stopped me on my second round. I had to take the magazine baseplate off...
I love my little .32, but I'm thinking it may get sold to finance a 1911 or a j-frame...
USMCDK
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is this something that only/relatively happens in .32acp???
I have a .45acp and I have never had that happen with and without JHP. Then again I also do the military thing and tap the back of the mag to my palm after loading.
So again does this only happen with the .32 or can it happen with any caliber???
One last question, not to derail thread, what do you call it when a .22lr doesn't get extracted from the chamber after firing??? Is that only called a FTE???
I have a .45acp and I have never had that happen with and without JHP. Then again I also do the military thing and tap the back of the mag to my palm after loading.
So again does this only happen with the .32 or can it happen with any caliber???
One last question, not to derail thread, what do you call it when a .22lr doesn't get extracted from the chamber after firing??? Is that only called a FTE???
usp9
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I am convinced rimlock is related to the shape of the case base and facilitated by a roomy magazine that allows the ammo to shift too much. I have a CZ83 that cannot go through a mag of U.S. made ammo without rimlock... and I mean "dismantle the mag" type of rimlock. On the other hand, European ammo feeds fine. European ammo has a larger "cut" between the rim and the case body, while N. American ammo has a smaller, tighter gap between them. The CZ mag is especially roomy and allows for a lot of movement, so no matter how carefully you load, the rounds shift back and forth.
My Seecamp on the other hand eats all U.S. made ammo, due to the specialized mag design which prevents shifting. I've never had an issue with rimlock in the Seecamp. If the round fits in the magazine, it will function...period.
My Seecamp on the other hand eats all U.S. made ammo, due to the specialized mag design which prevents shifting. I've never had an issue with rimlock in the Seecamp. If the round fits in the magazine, it will function...period.
Wilson 17&26
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Kel-Tec 1-800-515-9983 sells a magazine Rimlock Spacer (part #P32-314) for about $9 or you can make a Flyer Wire for about 5¢. Either will prevent rimlock when using JHP or other short .32 ammo.
Yes, rimlock is due to the fact that the acp round is actually a semi rimmed cartridge that will allow the top round to ride back and over the next round in a loose fitting magazine and then hanging up on the lower round's rim.
Seecamp solved the problem with a tight (front to back) magazine. That's why Seecamp originally recommende only using the short AOL Silvertip round and malfunctioned with any round that had a longer AOL.
Kel Tec solved the problem in their P32, by making available a magazine spacer to fill the excess space when using short AOL rounds.
In the P32, you can remove the spacer if you want to use the longer AOL, FMJ rounds.
Seecamp solved the problem with a tight (front to back) magazine. That's why Seecamp originally recommende only using the short AOL Silvertip round and malfunctioned with any round that had a longer AOL.
Kel Tec solved the problem in their P32, by making available a magazine spacer to fill the excess space when using short AOL rounds.
In the P32, you can remove the spacer if you want to use the longer AOL, FMJ rounds.
Wow, talk about thread necromancy. I posted this thing almost three years ago! It's still relevant, though.
Just to add to the discussion, the rimlock in question occurred with the magazine spacer in place. I since got rid of the P-32 and replaced it with a S&W Model 60. No rimlock on that thing yet...
Just to add to the discussion, the rimlock in question occurred with the magazine spacer in place. I since got rid of the P-32 and replaced it with a S&W Model 60. No rimlock on that thing yet...
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