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My girlfriend finally decided she wanted to get her CCW. She said her friends have .32s and she wants one as well. I told her I'd really rather see her at least with a .38 special. She wants a good size revolver, but not a small or large. Pefect revolver in my mind is the S&W Model 10 in 4 inch barrel. Now the question is, if she just has her heart on a .32, what revolver would compare to the model 10?

Just for grins and giggles I'll show you my Model 10.

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At least talk her into a .32 magnum.

+1. Ruger makes the SP101 in .32 Magnum, and you can also shoot .32 S&W Long.

jmm
 
First let me apologize, I made a mistake. The .38 is shown tested with a 4" barrel; .32 with a 5" barrel. Assuming you're going to be working within self defense ranges, the only numbers on those pages you need to be concerned with are muzzle to 25 yards. The energy of both rounds is virtually the same. The .32 is using a lighter 85gr bullet. The .38 is using one of the lightest bullets offered in that caliber. .32 is faster, and makes a smaller hole w/o expansion. I haven't shot one, but the .32 ought to have less recoil. Out of a Ruger SP101 w/Hogue rubber grips, I find just about any .38 round to be easy to control. The .32 would be even more so.

A 4" S&W model 10, while an excellent weapon, is not necessarily the best choice for CCW. I can holster my SP101 and conceal it with little difficulty. With the factory grips, it would fit snugly in a purse or fanny pack.

There are other .32's out there, but the SP101 is one of the heavier ones, and thus it's easier to tame. If you have access to one, please try out the S&W 432 snubs. If she can shoot it well, that would be much easier to conceal, but the ballistics will suffer even more because of the shorter barrel.

jmm
 
What the .32 lacks in size, it makes up for in velocity which also means more sure expansion. That's not my favorite bullet weight in .38 special, but it makes about as much energy as mine. I'm shooting 140 grainers. Would really prefer the 158 grain "FBI" loads, but my Taurus shoots better with jacketed bullets. Lead bullets have to be slow for it to group. I think the rifling isn't deep enough for the lead stuff, not sure. Anyway, 140 is accurate and that's what I use. My load is up around 265 ft lbs from a four inch barrel, +P stuff.

My preference between the two is the .38, but they're pretty equal ballistically and any handgun caliber demands good placement. So, if the recoil of the .32 lets here shoot better, that'd be the deciding factor.

.32 mag loads can have quite a lot of muzzle blast which can cause flinching, too. Might keep that in mind.
 
el44vaquero said:
My girlfriend finally decided she wanted to get her CCW. She said her friends have .32s and she wants one as well. I told her I'd really rather see her at least with a .38 special. She wants a good size revolver, but not a small or large. Pefect revolver in my mind is the S&W Model 10 in 4 inch barrel. Now the question is, if she just has her heart on a .32, what revolver would compare to the model 10?
I'm voting with your g-friend. I prefer .32 Mag over .38 Special. The .32 Mag is no slouch (not to be confused with .32 ACP).

Look at Ruger SP101 in either .38 Special or .32 Magnum. Both are awesome.

The SP101 is larger than an S&W small frame, smaller than an S&W large frame. The mid size SP101 is perfect for easy recoil with concealability. I especially like the 3" barrel version.

I especially like SP101 in .32 Magnum too. The .32 Magnum is no slouch for stopping power. I believe the .32 Mag has similar stopping power to .38 Special with less recoil. The .32 Mag also offers one more shot than the .38 Special.

She needs to like the gun or its a waste of money. I don't think she could resist the Ruger SP101 in .32 Mag. If she can't handle the .32 Mag, she can always shoot .32 Longs in it. So you are guaranteed it will work out with one of these cartridges for the SP101 .32 Mag.

If you go .38 special, what ammo could she step down to if needed?

.32 Mag all the way. I'm a recoil sensitive man. I love my Ruger SP101 .32 Mag 3" barrel.
 
I also like .32 ACP Firestorm

It's a bit anemic of a cartridge, but in a nice easy to conceal package without much recoil. This is not small compared to other .32 ACPs. This is same size as a Bersa 380. In fact, Bersa makes the Firestorm. For some reason Firestorms are really Bersas, but sold under a different name and available only in Western States. Why? I don't know. Some goverment B.S.

Anyway, not nearly as much stopping power as a Ruger SP101 .32 Mag, but much smaller, lighter, more concealable, and still not much recoil.
 
If you're talking about a Ruger in .32 mag or .38/.357, I'd say definitely get the .38/.357. The .38s, any .38s, are pussycats out of this gun. And I'd take a Corbon 38+p any day over a .32 mag.

If you're talking about an airweight, then a .32 might make sense. The power generated is equivalent to a regular .38 special, and I've read they're much easier to shoot from these light guns, plus there's one more round.

Rugers are heavy, and the weight is noticeable if carried anywhere but on the belt. For a lightweight gun, I'd be tempted to go .32 magnum myself.

~Ichiro
 
If she gets .38 sp101 at may as well take .357 to right?


I like and have a little .32acp BUG. Its so sweet and its only $250 p32keltec---they rule man ---really---I am no salesman I just know mine is great in every possable way.:scrutiny: I tried to give it to my chick once. But she already has a revolver and refused it casue shes just like that, she knows I like it and is shes cool like that!..hahaha Id buy a dozen p32s if I could.
 
Yeah. The SP handles magnums well! I still train with .38s in mine, but then I fire a few magnums and wonder why I wasted my money on .38s.

I think if someone is in the market for a .32, they should steer clear of the SP-101. The gun is overkill for .32s, overkill for .38s, just about right for light .357 magnums, just fine for 158-grain magnums, and a bit too small for 125-grain magnums.

For .32, I would try an airweight in .32 magnum, a kel-tec in .32 acp, and an NAA guardian in .32 NAA. Otherwise, maybe an NAA guardian in .380 or a Bersa or Sig in .380. Or a S&W steel J-frame in .38.

~Ichiro
 
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Go ahead and call .32 wimpy hahaha:eek:
 
She wants a midsize revolver. She said she doesn't want a snub. Already showed her a ladysmith I have. Said she wants a gun when she pulls it out that the bad guy knows it's the real deal and she will use it on him. Doesn't wany anything less than a 4 inch barrel. Her daddy says anything shorter is a waste so that's all she'll hear. So that's why I thought the Model 10. So the Ruger would be comparable in .32 mag?
 
She said her friends have .32s and she wants one as well. I told her I'd really rather see her at least with a .38 special. She wants a good size revolver, but not a small or large.

Well, +1 on what AFS had to say.

This gun will be for her, not for you. She should have what she wants.

She wants a midsize revolver. She said she doesn't want a snub. Already showed her a ladysmith I have. Said she wants a gun when she pulls it out that the bad guy knows it's the real deal and she will use it on him. Doesn't wany anything less than a 4 inch barrel. Her daddy says anything shorter is a waste so that's all she'll hear. So that's why I thought the Model 10. So the Ruger would be comparable in .32 mag?

Well, I disagree with her idea that a snub won't be good enough, BUT (see above).

I think the 4" Ruger SP101 is a good idea. It might be more gun than is needed for this cartridge but it fits what she is looking for very well. It is a larger small frame and almost could be described as a smaller medium frame (about halfway between a J-frame and K-frame S&W), it holds 6 rounds of .32H&R mag, and with a 4" barrel it looks pretty substantial. Not a bad looking gun either. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5746&return=Y

Another option, and true medium frame, is the single action Ruger Single Six. While SA is not ideal for defense, it is workable, especially with training. These have a good reputation for accuracy, they are certainly substantial guns (they'll look like a "real" gun like she wants), and are available with nearly 5" barrels (4 5/8", the extra length means higher velocity which means higher energy and more reliable bullet expansion). They can be had blued, stainless, with birds head grips (easier to conceal) or more traditional SA grips, with fake ivory (good for good looks), etc. It can certainly be a capable self-defense gun, it will have the "real gun" looks she wants, and are simply good guns overall. http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAProdResults?function=famid&famid=14

The round is a great round. It has about the same energy level as a good non +P .38spl with even less recoil. It's high velocity means you have a good chance at expansion. I've long been interested in this round myself. About the only negative is that the ammo can be hard to find- you may need to go to only specific gun shops for it, order online, or reload to make your own.
 
Get her what she wants not what you think she should have.
That way she'll carry it.

I agree with this sooooooo much. Her choice may not be the objective 'best' but it's what she wants... apparently the pictures she's got in her mind show her holding a .32. If that's what she has confidence in and for whatever reason satisfies her then that's the one. :)

And .32 Magnum ain't so bad.

StrikeEagle
 
Still think .32 Mag best for these circumstances

Ichiro said:
If you're talking about a Ruger in .32 mag or .38/.357, I'd say definitely get the .38/.357. The .38s, any .38s, are pussycats out of this gun. And I'd take a Corbon 38+p any day over a .32 mag.

If you're talking about an airweight, then a .32 might make sense. The power generated is equivalent to a regular .38 special, and I've read they're much easier to shoot from these light guns, plus there's one more round.

Rugers are heavy, and the weight is noticeable if carried anywhere but on the belt. For a lightweight gun, I'd be tempted to go .32 magnum myself.

~Ichiro
This gun is for a woman. I think the SP101 is noticably lighter in .32 Mag than in .38/.357. Yet the .32 Mag is still easy to shoot and has one more shot. The .32 Mag is still pretty potent and she could probably shoot it with much less flinching and more accuracy. Just my opinion. Have her try both. Let her decide.

I'll bet she prefers the .32 Mag SP-101 over the .357 Mag shooting .38s once she's tried both. Actually, she'd probably prefer the Firestorm .32 ACP, but that really is anemic.

Another option might be a CZ-83 auto in .380 or 9x18. I think the .380 would kick less than a .32 Mag. The 9x18 would probably kick about the same as a .32 Mag. However, I think the .32 Mag has a bit more punch than a 9x18, but the 9x18 would have 13 shots.

Personally, I own and really like the CZ-83 in .380 and 9x18, the Firestorm .32 ACP, and the Ruger SP101 .32 Mag. I specifically selected these for myself because they are easy on recoil. Two of these also have decent stopping power, the Firestorm .32 doesn't have much stopping power, but is EASY to carry.

Since these guns work for my recoil sensitive hands (hand held together by 4 screws), I think they'd be dandy for a woman. The 9x18 and .32 Mag are no slouches for stopping power. The .380 is borderline for stopping power, but easier to shoot. The .32 ACP is weak, but easy to hide, carry, and shoot.

Why not have her try each of these guns? I'm sure one would be to her liking. The .32 Mag and 9x18 have decent one shot stopping power. I'd be very confident in two well placed shots of .32 Mag or 9x18 (assuming hollow points for both). Note: it takes a hot 9x18 to approx equal a standard .32 Mag load. The limiting factor with 9x18 is what the cartridge is capable of. The limiting factor with .32 Mag is what she can handle. However, the end result for her is that they are about equal.

Rugers are normally heavy, but the SP101 in .32 Mag is only midweight 28 oz. It's just heavy enough to keep recoil down. Excessive weight is a good reason to avoid .357 mags shooting .38s. The S&W full size 4" barrel .38 weighs 36 oz. The SP101 .32 Mag is much lighter than that. As for the .357 recommendation some have made (shooting .38s): That would be really heavy, unless it's an airweight, which would defeat the recoil reduction.

In my opinion, the only things that make sense for most women are .380, 9x18, .32 Mag, and 9mm Para in midweight hand guns. This is ranked in order of stopping power, with the 9x18 and .32 Mag being almost equal to each other.

If a woman can't accurately handle at least a .380, then a .32 ACP that's accurate is better than a .380 miss. The CZ-83 also comes in .32 ACP and offers the longest barrel of any .32 ACP I know of (increased velocity) and is midsize, midweight, zero recoil. i.e. - if she can't handle at least a .380, then a CZ-83 in .32 ACP is a backup solution, or so is the Ruger SP101 shooting .32 Longs.

The thing she really does want to avoid is airweight .32 Mag snubbies. They kick like heck; at least by the standards of anyone who's recoil sensitive.
 
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The Ruger SP101 in .32 Mag is exactly what you say she say's she wants. Exactly midsize, etc.

However, I recommend the 3" over the 4" because the 3" is MUCH easier to carry and will therefore she will carry it. Her daddy thinks so highly of 4" because most brands don't offer a 3". Most brands only offer a 2" and a 4" (maybe a 6" also).

A 2" really is pitiful for ballistics, velocity, etc. A 2" increases recoil and reduces velocity. No wonder her daddy doesn't like 2". They're lousy. I don't like 2" either.

A 4" is soooo difficult to conceal and carry that she'll end up not carrying it. A 3" is a great compromise. Tell her daddy there's a 3" solution. He probably assumes the only choices are 2" or 4".

Also, a 3" Ruger SP101 looks beautiful when on the good end of it. Women like that stuff. I do too. From the bad end (down range) there is nothing scarier looking than a shiny stainless revolver with a beefy extracter and barrel brace under the barrel pointed at you. Go to Ruger's website and look at the SP101 in both 3" and 4". If I were a bad guy, I'd wet myself. Its looks alone have stopping power. One look and most bad guys would want to stop.

el44vaquero said:
She wants a midsize revolver. She said she doesn't want a snub. Already showed her a ladysmith I have. Said she wants a gun when she pulls it out that the bad guy knows it's the real deal and she will use it on him. Doesn't wany anything less than a 4 inch barrel. Her daddy says anything shorter is a waste so that's all she'll hear. So that's why I thought the Model 10. So the Ruger would be comparable in .32 mag?
 
Federal's 32Mag loads are junk.

There have been several projects out there to produce "monster defense 32Mag ammo" and most have gone defunct.

One remains: the Georgia Arms 100grain 32Mag. This ONE remaining decent load is the only reason I consider the 32Mag a viable defense load.

But by God, it's a good one! The result is 38+P power levels in a controllable and compact package.

The 4" barrel Ruger SP101 is a perfect 32Mag defensive gun. It totally rocks :).

http://www.georgia-arms.com/pistol.htm

That "1,100fps" spec will be very close to what you'll get from a 4" tube. That means it's well into 38+P power levels and not just a little bit, those specs would be considered strong for any 38 load. Take a look at the ammo test table at:

http://www.gunblast.com/WBell_SW32s.htm

Those numbers are from a 2" barrel, they'll move faster out of a 4" by at least 50-75fps. But compare those numbers, there is NO comparison in speed/weight levels.

Now, the ammo situation may get better soon (more choices) as NAA is getting closer to shipping a SMALL 32Mag single action mini-revolver. I predict it'll be fairly popular and will spur more development of 32Mag loads. But for now that Georgia Arms load will "git'r'done".
 
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