ArchAngelCD
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That's the same link I put in Post #3.
Purchase Permit? Really? You need a permit to buy a gun? WOW!!
.38 s&w?
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Owen Sparks
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While we are on the subject of top break revolvers;
what if some company made one in .45ACP that took moon clips? How fast would that be to reload?
what if some company made one in .45ACP that took moon clips? How fast would that be to reload?
You righties never want to give us southpaws a fair shake on any handgun. That's the real reason you don't like em....come on tell the truth 
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So that's what it feels like to get a fair shake...
...pretty damn good if you ask me.
Are they fast?....Is a frogs *ss water tight?
hks 22hr speedloader
.So that's what it feels like to get a fair shake...
...pretty damn good if you ask me.Are they fast?....Is a frogs *ss water tight?
hks 22hr speedloader
FotoTomas
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My old Enfield was a fun gun to play with in .38 S&W. Mild and accurate if you can get past the DAO lockwork. I got my limited supply of ammo from the local gun shop and I miss her.
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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Iowa has come a long way, but we're not perfect. We don't really need the permit, but if we don't have one we have to wait a week to take it home, as opposed to same-day-bring-home with the permit. My LGS, however, requires the purchase permit to make his job a little easier. Not like he does much anyway, but the point is there.
But really, the purchase permit, or, "Permit to Acquire Pistols and Revolvers," is just that; for pistols and revolvers. Long guns do not apply to this permit. A CCW permit will also fill in for a purchase permit in my neck of the woods, though I'm sure it's the same way all across Iowa.
But really, the purchase permit, or, "Permit to Acquire Pistols and Revolvers," is just that; for pistols and revolvers. Long guns do not apply to this permit. A CCW permit will also fill in for a purchase permit in my neck of the woods, though I'm sure it's the same way all across Iowa.
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Deaf Smith
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Nush,
That's a Webley Pocket Pistol in .38 S&W.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Webley_Mk_IV
Sometimes such places as these below have them for sale:
http://antiquearmsinc.com/index.html
http://www.gunsamerica.com/
Webley also made a 'pocket hammerless' I'd die for!
I found mine in a pawnshop in Dallas a year or so ago.
You remember Emma Peel of the Avengers? Well she used a nickel plated version of the kind I have.
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/avengers.htm
Funny thing is, the FIRST Avenger, Honor Blackman, I have her Judo book (yes she wrote one and was a big Judo fan.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_QbsiyphLs
Deaf
That's a Webley Pocket Pistol in .38 S&W.
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Webley_Mk_IV
Sometimes such places as these below have them for sale:
http://antiquearmsinc.com/index.html
http://www.gunsamerica.com/
Webley also made a 'pocket hammerless' I'd die for!
I found mine in a pawnshop in Dallas a year or so ago.
You remember Emma Peel of the Avengers? Well she used a nickel plated version of the kind I have.
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/avengers.htm
Funny thing is, the FIRST Avenger, Honor Blackman, I have her Judo book (yes she wrote one and was a big Judo fan.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_QbsiyphLs
Deaf
ArchAngelCD
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Now that would cause me to shop at a different store. If a dealer wants my business he shouldn't make things harder on the buyer than the unreasonable government is already doing.
Sorry, back on topic... Did you buy the revolver? I like it and think you should buy it!
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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Won't be able to afford to, gotta get some stuff paid that I forgot about. And he's the only FFL in Council Bluffs who isn't a big box store, i.e. WalMart, and Bass Pro Shops.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
"We don't really need the permit, but if we don't have one we have to wait a week to take it home, as opposed to same-day-bring-home with the permit" = "infringement"
As I said, I think top-breaks have a lot of advantages.
I luvs me that Dame Diana:
http://benfranklinfollies.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/emma-peel.jpg
<sigh>
Terry, 230RN
As I said, I think top-breaks have a lot of advantages.
I luvs me that Dame Diana:
http://benfranklinfollies.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/emma-peel.jpg
<sigh>
Terry, 230RN
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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Lol. Well there's always sometime in my next 60 years of life, if I make it to my 80's
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Looking at the pix and the links I hadda go get a lobster bib to catch the drool.
LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
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What are you talking about? Lol
kBob
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I ran across this thread looking for info on the S&W 38 DA top break.
Noticed the comments about wanting a .45 ACP with moon clips. Back in the 1980's I did an IPSC shoot in the revolver class with a Webly that had the cylinder rear ground down to accept .45ACP in Moon clips. I had just gotten some of the then fairly new full moon clips and I will say they ran great. When an unrated shooter with a 70 year old beater walks up to the line and takes the cake in class, even at a little bitty club shoot, I think it says something about ease and speed of reloading. Wish I still had that gun these days.
..and while I am here I am looking for parts and how to's on the .38 S&W DA top breaks of the 1880's, square back trigger guard and all that.
-kBob
Noticed the comments about wanting a .45 ACP with moon clips. Back in the 1980's I did an IPSC shoot in the revolver class with a Webly that had the cylinder rear ground down to accept .45ACP in Moon clips. I had just gotten some of the then fairly new full moon clips and I will say they ran great. When an unrated shooter with a 70 year old beater walks up to the line and takes the cake in class, even at a little bitty club shoot, I think it says something about ease and speed of reloading. Wish I still had that gun these days.
..and while I am here I am looking for parts and how to's on the .38 S&W DA top breaks of the 1880's, square back trigger guard and all that.
-kBob
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I know this thread is old, but yes you can get .38 S&W at a decent sized gun show. At least I did.
It was for a friend who inherited one.
The person I bought it from double-checked to make sure I didn't actually want .38 Special, and I thanked him for that. I'm sure this has happened to a few people.
I think the box of 50 was around $20, and this was about a year ago. The ballistics of the round are very mild, and I think it should work pretty nicely for small game/woods bumming. Point being - it's not common, but yes the round is available without too much trouble.
It was for a friend who inherited one.
The person I bought it from double-checked to make sure I didn't actually want .38 Special, and I thanked him for that. I'm sure this has happened to a few people.
I think the box of 50 was around $20, and this was about a year ago. The ballistics of the round are very mild, and I think it should work pretty nicely for small game/woods bumming. Point being - it's not common, but yes the round is available without too much trouble.
Radagast
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kBob:
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=8051 for the .38 Double Action schematic and parts.
The use of .45 ACP in cut down Webleys is a bad idea. The standard pressure .45 ACP round is a proof load in a Webley. If you get another such gun I suggest you check the top strap for stretching / cracking and that you only shoot soft handloads that emulate .455 velocities and pressures.
pic very related.
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=8051 for the .38 Double Action schematic and parts.
The use of .45 ACP in cut down Webleys is a bad idea. The standard pressure .45 ACP round is a proof load in a Webley. If you get another such gun I suggest you check the top strap for stretching / cracking and that you only shoot soft handloads that emulate .455 velocities and pressures.
pic very related.
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kBob
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Radagast,
Interesting as most of the Webleys I have ever seen were cut guns having the rear of the cylinder cut down to allow the .45ACP to be used in Moon clips. Makes me wonder if the gun shown blew because the of a headspacing issue from an attempt to use it without a moon clip rather than just an over load for the system.
I was in the previously meantioned post shooting a handloaded 200 grain SWC with just enough Unique powder to reliably cycle a M1911A1 with standard springs which was about all I loaded and shot at the time for gaming so I doubt if I even approached proof load pressure.
The kid that ended up with it was shooting mostly W-W 185 grain target loads, though his night stand load was the Speer 200 grain HP factory load.....which I warned him against. It was originally his gun and I gave it back after having played with it a few months.
I recently ran accross a Webley in a Local Gun Store with an exorbitant price tag that also described it as a .455. The owner would not comedown a bit since such a gun is so "rare" locally. It had no marks on the cylinder face and only half or less of the last number on the cylinder was visable
None of that gets me one wit closer to fixing up that old S&W Top Break .38 DA though.
-kBob
Interesting as most of the Webleys I have ever seen were cut guns having the rear of the cylinder cut down to allow the .45ACP to be used in Moon clips. Makes me wonder if the gun shown blew because the of a headspacing issue from an attempt to use it without a moon clip rather than just an over load for the system.
I was in the previously meantioned post shooting a handloaded 200 grain SWC with just enough Unique powder to reliably cycle a M1911A1 with standard springs which was about all I loaded and shot at the time for gaming so I doubt if I even approached proof load pressure.
The kid that ended up with it was shooting mostly W-W 185 grain target loads, though his night stand load was the Speer 200 grain HP factory load.....which I warned him against. It was originally his gun and I gave it back after having played with it a few months.
I recently ran accross a Webley in a Local Gun Store with an exorbitant price tag that also described it as a .455. The owner would not comedown a bit since such a gun is so "rare" locally. It had no marks on the cylinder face and only half or less of the last number on the cylinder was visable
None of that gets me one wit closer to fixing up that old S&W Top Break .38 DA though.
-kBob
David Chicoine is one of the very few gunsmiths that specializes in repairing and restoring 19th century Smith & Wesson top-break revolvers, and he has written a book, Gunsmithing Guns of the Old West that has (among a whole lot of other interesting things) instructions on assembly/disassembly and working on S&W top-breaks and tip-up's of all sizes.
At this point the Old Fuff will point out that the internal lockwork of these guns is usually complicated and hand fitted like a fine Swiss watch. Do not expect parts taken from another revolver (especially a used one) to go into, and work in another gun! They might, but it's no sure thing.
Also you will need a collection of special pin punches with cup ends and screwdriver bits ground to fit the screws you will encounter. (Go to www.brownells.com)
After working on one you might go and have a root cannel done to ease the pain of the prior experience. :banghead:
www.oldwestgunsmith.com
At this point the Old Fuff will point out that the internal lockwork of these guns is usually complicated and hand fitted like a fine Swiss watch. Do not expect parts taken from another revolver (especially a used one) to go into, and work in another gun! They might, but it's no sure thing.
Also you will need a collection of special pin punches with cup ends and screwdriver bits ground to fit the screws you will encounter. (Go to www.brownells.com)
After working on one you might go and have a root cannel done to ease the pain of the prior experience. :banghead:
www.oldwestgunsmith.com
kBob
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Old Fluff,
Thanks. I may buy a less expensive book I found while searching e-bay. Weird thing was when I asked for a preveiw of the book with a page at random, the No4 S&W 38 DA top break was what the site showed me....weird. I take that as a sign.
Because of the parts availaility issues the gun may be ]ust a wall hanger but won't know until we get there.
Same guy had a Ruger Security six get ruined by someone holding it for him and the person took it to a "gunsmith" that proclaimed it "not worth keeping" Fortunately the guy insisted on getting his gun back and it is in pieces and atleast one part buggered by someone trying to fix it. I showed the guy a few parts right quick that would have been useful to a smith, especially with availability issues and he is a bit peeved at the folks that wanted him to throw away his revolver by leaving it with them. I also think that while ugly the ruger will shoot again. Might not have been worth the smith's time to get working but sure worth more than the smith offered the fella (nothing) AND I think repairable by someone working for free.
Not holding out a lot of hope on the top break though it will be fun for him to mess with.
-kBob
Thanks. I may buy a less expensive book I found while searching e-bay. Weird thing was when I asked for a preveiw of the book with a page at random, the No4 S&W 38 DA top break was what the site showed me....weird. I take that as a sign.
Because of the parts availaility issues the gun may be ]ust a wall hanger but won't know until we get there.
Same guy had a Ruger Security six get ruined by someone holding it for him and the person took it to a "gunsmith" that proclaimed it "not worth keeping" Fortunately the guy insisted on getting his gun back and it is in pieces and atleast one part buggered by someone trying to fix it. I showed the guy a few parts right quick that would have been useful to a smith, especially with availability issues and he is a bit peeved at the folks that wanted him to throw away his revolver by leaving it with them. I also think that while ugly the ruger will shoot again. Might not have been worth the smith's time to get working but sure worth more than the smith offered the fella (nothing) AND I think repairable by someone working for free.
Not holding out a lot of hope on the top break though it will be fun for him to mess with.
-kBob
Mess away, but don't say I didn't warn you.
Old Fuff, World-Class Messer-Uper...
Hint: If you must play, see if you can find an English .38 No. 2 Mk 1 or Mk 1* revolver that are more robust, and usually don't command out-of-sight prices. I think Numrich still has most parts, and if you can disassemble a current day S&W or Colt hand ejector you shouldn't have too much trouble.
Old Fuff, World-Class Messer-Uper...
Hint: If you must play, see if you can find an English .38 No. 2 Mk 1 or Mk 1* revolver that are more robust, and usually don't command out-of-sight prices. I think Numrich still has most parts, and if you can disassemble a current day S&W or Colt hand ejector you shouldn't have too much trouble.
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