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.38 Super Bullets

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Havok7416, Nov 11, 2012.

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  1. Havok7416
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    I am trying to develop load data for .38 Super in anticipation of purchasing a .38 Super soon but the information I have from three reloading manuals (Lee, Lyman and Hornady) differs. Can regular 9mm Luger bullets be used in the .38 Super or do specific .356 bullets have to be used?
     
  2. Walkalong

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    For jacketed you can use either one. I bought some Zero .355 diameter 9MM and .38 Super .356 diameter 125 Gr JHPs some years back. Both shot well in either caliber. After that I just bought the .356 Zero bullet in bulk. Many 9MM barrels are over .355 anyway.
     
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    Thank you for the info. I will likely be using Rainier plated bullets for commonality since I already load the 124 grain version for my 9mms.
     
  4. ReloaderFred

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    I use 9mm bullets for my .38 Super loads, both jacketed and cast. Mine do exceptionally well with cast bullets, pushed hard. I size mine .356" for both 9x19 and .38 Super.

    Hope this helps.

    Fred
     
  5. Josh45

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    Been reloading 38 super for a few months, been using 9mm bullets and they shoot just fine.
     
  6. squarles67

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    I slugged the bore on both my newer Colts (bought last year) and they both measure .355 so I can use 9mm bullets without issue allthough I shoot more HAP .356 bullets than anything else.

    I believe most Supers made these days use a .355 bore where as the old Colts have a larger bore.
     
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    When I first got a 38 Super, about a year ago, I purchased new Starline brass. I also had about 35 pieces of range pick up: GLF, Win, RP and a few others.
    With my Lee dies the .355 Precision Delta jacketed bullets do not have enough case tension to hold the bullets securely. I first noticed this when measuring the OAL of my finished round. Rolling the thumb wheel on my calipers would push the bullets further into the case.
    I found that running the case about 1/4" into a 9mm die, after sizing and de-capping on the Super die, then using the 9mm expander would provide enough case tension. Don't know if the problem is with the sizing die or the expander. I started using the MBC IDP #6, 124gn .356 lead TCFP bullet and they work well.
     
  8. bds

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    This website has quite an extensive information on .38 Super specs, components and loads - http://38super.net/index.html
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    Check out the hand loading links:

    Load development
    - http://38super.net/Pages/Major.html#Anchor-11481
    Supported/Unsupported chambers - http://38super.net/Pages/Major.html#Anchor-47857
    Bullets - http://38super.net/Pages/Bullets.html
    Brass - http://38super.net/Pages/Brass.html
    Powder - http://38super.net/Pages/Gunpowder.html
    OAL/seating depth/round fit in magazine - http://38super.net/Pages/Overall Length.html


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    For load data, above website links to Jeff Maass' page and Brian Enos forum pages.

     
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    Tons of excellent data here guys! Not that it changes anything but I will likely be getting a .38 Super kit for my new EAA Witness. I am leaning toward the longslide but I'm still not sure yet. Bullseye is my primary and soon to be only pistol powder as I reduce extra materials.
     
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    I have a rather stupid question which just came to mind. Do I need to get .38 Super dies or can I use 9mm dies?
     
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    You need Super dies. They are longer than 9mm.
     
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    Well that sucks. Oh well...
     
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    The 9MM is a tapered case, where the .38 Super is not. It takes different dies.
     
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    +1. SAAMI specification drawing shows 9mm case mouth to be .3811" and tapers out to case base at .3910" and uses .3555" diameter bullets (.355"-.356"). But 38 Super case mouth and case base are same at .3840" (no taper) and as posted earlier, can use .355"-.358" diameter bullets

    BTW, Berry's and other plated bullet manufacturers aim to size their 9mm bullets to .3555" but advertises them as .356". And due to this taper of the 9mm case, especially when using .356" diameter bullets, the case shows the "Coke bottle" shape bulge around the seated bullet and the resized case, and this is normal for resized 9mm cases.

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    I have used 9mm (0.355") bullets in my S&W 627 and 686 which are factory chambered for 38 Super. Nice tight groups with both revolvers.
     
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    How did you score those revolvers? I've never heard of a revolver in .38 Super.
     
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    Smith & Wesson model 627 revolver from the Performance Center chambered in .38 Super - all stainless steel construction, 5 inch barrel with comp, 8 shot blackened unfluted cylinder, plain black target sights and factory red, white and blue smooth wood grips.

    Here are recent sales:
    http://www.gunsamerica.com/958886957/Smith++Wesson+Model+627+Performance+Center+38+Super.htm#
    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...11552503/used+Smith+&+Wesson+PC+627+.38+Super

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    38 Super is semi rimmed and can usually be fired from a .357 mag revolver. It won't be near as accurate as TonyT / bds revolver above that is actually chambered in 38 Super but it can be done
     
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