380 golden sabers vs hydra shocks

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Ok guys title says it all I am looking to buy a jhp sd ammo and I have the option to buy either the 90 grain. Hydrashocks. Or the 102 golden. Sabers and please lets not just say well buy one or the other :banghead: any thoughts ?
 
I would go with the golden saber as its a more modern bullet when compared to the older design of the hydrashocks. I've seen several gel tests where a hydrashock was fired through denim into gelatin and the bullet didn't expand at all (though probably not too terrible considering its a .380 and some people carry FMJ due to lower penetration).
 
Of the choices listed, another vote for the Golden Saber. However, you risk underpenetration w/any .380 expanding rd so the wife's .380's are loaded w/Buffalo Bore +P 100gr hardcast.
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I just got a 380. I have been watching all sorts of you tube videos and reading many reviews.

I got Golden Sabers in 380 because it was all I could get locally at the moment. That being said - while many of these tests seem to give different results from one another. The 380 hydrashock seems to expand and also come right around that 12" minimum that the FBI sets for penetration (some tests are 10.5" - as I stated before... Many of these you tube videos give varied results).

From all I have read in the past week and a half, it seems to be one of the best JHP rounds, if not the best.

The Golden Sabers seems to do well with lighter clothes. on the 4 layers of denim test, it doesn't expand at all and acts like FMJ. It gets to around 16 inches when it does't expend. But, it doesn't expand...

If and when I can find some Hydrashok 280, I plan to get a box and try them in my gun to make sure they work fine.

Goldensabers have traditionally been the fav 380 round in the 1990s and early 2000's. Everyone assumes they are better because of the extra weight. But, after looking at all these tests, I think the Hydrashok is better (in this caliber)
 
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Ok guys title says it all I am looking to buy a jhp sd ammo and I have the option to buy either the 90 grain. Hydrashocks. Or the 102 golden. Sabers and please lets not just say well buy one or the other :banghead: any thoughts ?
Used American Eagle FMJs when I owned the LCP because I didn't trust tiny guns with JHPs. Obviously in something like commercial Makarov pistol Winchester PDX1s worked fine.
 
I managed to find some 380 hydrashok this morning. I'm headed to the range later today - I'm gonna try both Golden sabers and hydrashoks to see how they feed. Then, I'll go from there.

I just don't like carrying FMJ in a gun. I don't want 16-18" of penetration with FMJ.
 
A couple of things about his testing. He reused the gelatin, don't know if that would have any affect on repeatable results.

Also, he weighed the bullets after shooting, but not before, so you really don't know what the difference is.

Wish he was able to try the Buffalo Bore brand. They're supposed to be the hottest commercial .380's, I've seen some testing on another site that showed this. Be interested to see how their HP ammo would compare to the solids as far as penetration.

Buffalo Bore rates their .380's as "+P", even though there is no actual industry standard for +P .380's. Ruger warns against their use in their LCP pistols.

I've fired them in my LCP to make sure they'll feed, they do, and they are my carry round. I don't use them otherwise at the range because of the warning, and fear of increased wear on the gun.
 
Well, I tried Golden Sabers and Hydrashok in my new Ruger LCP - put another 90 rounds thru it. 150 rounds total now.

Gun doesn't like Goldensabers. They catch on the ramp and won't load.

I had planned to just shoot a few of the hydrashocks, but after that, I fired the entire box of 20. Not a problem. Went back and bought one more box. Now, I have some to carry. VERY glad I tried this out and learned it at the range, and not when I actually needed the gun.
 
I run Winchester T-series and Speer Gold Dot in my LCP, because that's what I have the easiest access to obtaining ... and both those loads feed & function very well in my LCP when it's being fired in my hands.

I ran a single 25-rd box of the Remington HPJ Golden Sabre through my LCP during initial range testing (because it was available at that moment as qual ammo). It fed & fired well enough, and was also similarly accurate.

What I noticed, however, was that something about the recoil characteristics of that load in my LCP (with its rather rudimentary ejector) caused the empty cases to be thrown pretty consistently toward my face. The Winchester T-Series & FPFMJ, and the Speer GDHP, didn't do that ... and I fired more of all those loads, too. All things being equal, I'd use the load that didn't fling empty cases at my face in my little .380 pistol.

I didn't try any Hydra-Shok because I didn't have any, and they aren't readily available in my area.

I can buy the Winchester T-Series for $25/50-rd box, and the Speer GDHP is really affordable for me at the moment, so those are my choices.

Firing 25-50 rounds through each magazine that's going to be used with the little pistol is probably going to be more than a little expensive for the time being, due to the supply/demand issues being caused by the run on commercial ammunition.

I don't look at my LCP as being "equivalent" to my battery of 5-shot J-frames when it comes to "ballistic performance". The FMJ loads seem likely to be prone to perforate (another way to say over-penetrate) an intended target, and the hollowpoints, if they expand (and if they actually hit an intended target), may not penetrate as deeply as some of the .38 Spl loads.

Pick your balanced compromise. ;)

When I decide to carry either one of my J-frames or my LCP (which is more often than when I choose one of my larger 9's, .40's or .45's nowadays, in my retirement), I choose one of the J-frames when I want to carry a diminutive gun that offers some increased potential for both some moderate expansion & penetration ... and heavier bullet weights against the potential for an intermediate barrier (attacker's limb of auto glass) ... and the LCP when I'm less concerned about those circumstances, and/or the LCP is more easily pocket holstered due to my clothing and activities.

FWIW, nowadays when I browse over the results of any particular gel testing, the 2 things that make me consider the results are whether it was being done in a standardized, proper manner ... and whether it involved at least the use of a Heavy Clothing test, or, preferably, the 4-Layer Denim test.

Why? Because getting a JHP to expand in Bare Gel test conditions is more easily done than in either of the cloth barrier test circumstances. The cloth testing conditions introduce a barrier material that can help reveal how the JHP performs if the nose cavity is plugged, and the 4-Layer Denim test is the most difficult of the tests in common use.

It's close to being an "acid test". There's been a correlation observed to exist between hollowpoint bullets that robustly and more consistently expand in that test, compared to the same design bullets that have been recovered from shooting incidents outside the lab. No guarantees, of course, but it seems to have demonstrated itself to be one of the better indicators of potential performance in that regard.

I'd not think it prudent to become too distracted by the wealth of "ballistic testing" being posted online, in magazine articles or even by various ammo companies, though. It still comes down to how well any particular load feeds, fires & functions in any particular gun, in the hands of any particular shooter, and whether or not that person can safely handle and shoot their gun ... and obtain accurate and effective hits on the intended target.
 
Shipwreck I am very surprised your LCP does not handle the Golden Sabers.
In fact the only hollowpoints my now disposed off Diamondback 380 could reliably feed were the Golden Sabers.

Your LCP not excepting them reliably is why one should always run several boxes of a chosen brand several times before carrying with them.
 
I carried Gold Dots until I found that (as mentioned earlier) JHP out of a short barreled 380 frequently does not penetrate deep enough so I also switched to the Buffalo Bore 100gr fmj/fp, but then when I found that WWB 90gr fmj/fp round reliably produced plenty of penetration from short barreled 380 pistols at a much lower cost than the Buffalo Bore rounds the WWB 90gr fmj/fp round became my carry round of choice and it is also much more comfortable to shoot from small and light micro 380 pistols.
 
Shipwreck I am very surprised your LCP does not handle the Golden Sabers.
In fact the only hollowpoints my now disposed off Diamondback 380 could reliably feed were the Golden Sabers.

Yes, I was surprised too. 3 in like 13 rounds. I just gave up. But, 20 Hydrashoks worked fine.
 
That's funny that this is the question. I've got Golden Sabers in my .40 and Hydra Shocks in my 9mm. Reason? It's what was available at the time. They both feed great in my guns and one is as accurate as the other. I hope I never have occasion to test their effectiveness.
 
Ditto the opinions on Posts 10, 14 and 18. I favor use of FMJ's as I prefer penetration over expansion in a small round such as this. The extra penetration for me is important for shots made at a angle and in a person of large body mass.

Shooting carry ammo from your gun into test media such as water can be a real eye opener. It doesn't matter how much it expands if it doesn't go deep enough.
 
I currently run the Federal HS's in my LCP, but I did just acquire a box of GS's to give them a shot.
 
FMJs are a "must" if I am gonna carry a .380 pistol.


I am just unwilling to sacrifice the penetration that I'd have to give up for expansion with a JHP.
 
See, I don't want 16-18" of penetration. I am not shooting thru windshields. I don't want to worry about hitting someone else behind the target. But, this topic is debated to death on all of these ballistic threads. No one usually changes their minds
 
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