JR47
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Yes, you are correct on the 2" barrel, I missed it, or just didn't recognize it.
That's 221 ft/lb of an unspecified available maximum loading (with a 95 gr. bullet). Versus 200 ft/lb of yet another unspecified 'max" loading, at 90 gr./1000 fps.
I did, and I didn't need a Russian site of unspecified age to do so.
http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/ammo.aspx
http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#380
Obviously you didn't want to accept these facts. I'll list some others later.
THAT is where the comment came from. As drug dealers carry for protection against each other, and that is what you say they carry the .380 for, then they would logically carry something else for that defense.
Yes, as you can see, I'm quite aware of previous comments. Perhaps that is something that you should also pay attention to?
You were in the surgical suite, or in the forensics lab? Most people, unlike CSI, aren't able to differentiate between a .380 and a 9mm without some sort of mechanical measuring devices, like a scale. Actually, I've been present at Shock Trauma when bullets were removed, and nobody would hazard a guess as to caliber. Perhaps their eyes were due for re-calibration.
http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/corbon/convjhp.htm
That's the site for Cor-Bon ammo, look at the .380 ACP. I tried to find actual specs on small .380 pistols. There are virtually no published specs on 2" .38 Special rounds.
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_62&products_id=272
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog
/product_info.php?cPath=21_62&products_id=233
This is the best that I could find for a short-nosed .38 +P.
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_57&products_id=215
If it's true, I'm surprised that we haven't heard more about it.
Ok, I'll buy, for the last time, as well, that YOUR PERSONAL opinion is what it is. However, there's no real data in what you said. Other than a poorly defined web site, you've brought us nothing but your "take" on what occurred.
Data would indicate the weapon used, range to victim, and the load used. Like any ammunition, not all of it is created equal. .380 FMJ, bought from the cheapest available source, won't perform as well as that designed as self-defense ammunition. The same goes for the .38 Special. Barrel lengths, in the sites that I provided, indicated specifics as to barrel-length when provided.
As it stands, it would appear that anyone using a .38 Special with a 2" barrel, unless using Double-Tap ammo, is going to be at a disadvantage in both power, and capacity, to someone using a Kel-Tec with Buffalo Bore ammo.
I don't believe that either round, with modern self-defense loadings, will "go through" a human at ranges under 30', perhaps at contact distances, but otherwise not.
Humans don't react to handguns on a predictable basis. There are stories documented of bullet sponges against .357 Magnums, 9x19s, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP. I've actually seen several one-shot stops. Using .22 lr out of a snubby RG, I ran a tiny Vietnamese woman who whacked her abusive husband. I also saw a squirrel hunter who shot himself with a Browning Buck Mark in the chest, DRT. There was a recent article in the Armed Citizen column of American Rifleman that chronicled a one-shot stop, and a death, using a .25 ACP.
I tend towards 9mmP, .40 and .45 calibers for self-defense. In duty sized pistols. They have the absolute best performance. I do think, though, that when you get below that, especially in short-barrels, the traditional semi-auto calibers seem to have a better selection of effective ammunition available. Quoting 4" barrel power ratings is useless, and can get someone killed.
