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  1. Toprudder

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    Made me go back and look at the loads I worked up in 380 (not that many, really).

    I tried Autocomp, BE-86, CFE Pistol, and Power Pistol, with Xtreme 100gn plated, and Win small pistol primers. Interestingly, a charge of 3.6gn of each one resulted in velocities within ~25fps of each other, approximately 750fps out of a Bersa. These were relatively soft shooting loads that cycle fine in the Bersa, LCP, and Sig P238. My favorite powder thus far is Power Pistol.

    I hear what is being said about faster burning powders, but the slightly slower powders seem to be more tolerant of charge range than the faster ones. JMHO.
     
  2. LiveLife

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    I thought OP was looking for lighter recoil target load but I was wrong.

    So for higher velocity loads, my vote is for BE-86 which has produced very accurate loads for 9mm and meters very well.
     
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  3. kcofohio
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    Interesting article. Something to try out some day.
     
  4. LiveLife

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    That article really tested minor power factor loads far below published start charges, even for me to consider. It sure opened my eyes.

    After I switched USPSA caliber from 45ACP/9mm to 40S&W, I loaded minor power factor loads using W231/HP-38. With 165/180 gr bullets, some of the loads recoiled lighter than 9mm target loads.
     
  5. KYregular

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    Totally agree, even though I have a turret press which at least holds all of my dies, I still load single stage. First (after cleaning and inspection) I size and deprime, then flare the case. I then prime with the RCBS hand primer (I love it compared the the one on my press), then use my powder dispenser to fill a case (inspect case again while dispenser if filling) and then put it in the reloading block and insert a bullet. When I have a batch done I seat bullet and taper crimp. That way I know there is powder in the case and sleep better. Also, I mark the headstamp with a color code so I know how many times it was fired at time of loading.
     
  6. Walkalong

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    Me too. :)
     
  7. Dudedog
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    I really like AA#2 for .380 meters great in .380 size charges. (but not on the OPs list) I would say it is the best metering powder I have ever used.
    http://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/sample_detail.php?powder_id=184
    (very small balls)
    HP38 worked for me in .380 and so did CFE-P. (small charge range on HP38 .3gr start to MAX)
    http://www.ilrc.ucf.edu/powders/sample_detail.php?powder_id=81
    CFE-P was happiest at the higher side of it's charge range.
    (litte bit more wiggle room with CFE-P .5 to .7gr depending on bullet weight)

    I would not buy CFE-P to load practice/plinking .380 (I buy AA#2 for .380 practice loads) but since you have CFE-P it is worth trying. Meters well.

    A listed MAX load but 4gr of CFE-P with a Xtreme 100 RNFP shot well in my Kahr P380. (2.5" barrel, locked breech, no pressure sign primers looked fine-but flip side is a flat .380 primer would be BAD)
    Mixed range brass, unknown # of reloads S+B SP
    String: 2
    Date: 8/14/2016
    Time: 9:23:07 AM
    Grains: 100
    Hi Vel: 862
    Low Vel: 843
    Ave Vel: 853
    Ext Spread: 19
    Std Dev: 7
    380 100 Xtreme 4.0 CFE-P .950 OAL
    Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
    862 77.58 148.477
    843 75.87 142.004
    855 76.95 146.075
    850 76.5 144.372
    856 77.04 146.417

    String: 1
    Date: 3/20/2016
    Time: 12:36:54 PM
    Grains: 100
    Hi Vel: 821
    Low Vel: 782
    Ave Vel: 804
    Ext Spread: 39
    Std Dev: 18
    Xtreme 100 RNFP 4.0 BE86 .950 OAl
    Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
    789 78.9 138.215
    821 82.1 149.654
    810 81 145.671
    782 78.2 135.774
    821 82.1 149.654

    String: 6
    Date: 5/15/2016
    Time: 12:47:27 PM
    Grains: 90 (should have been 100)
    (note typo here when entering data into the laptop so PF and Ft/lbs are incorrect)

    Hi Vel: 793
    Low Vel: 777
    Ave Vel: 784
    Ext Spread: 16
    Std Dev: 7
    380 3.1 #2 CMJ 100 RN
    Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
    793 71.37 125.658
    777 69.93 120.639
    779 70.11 121.26
    788 70.92 124.079
     
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  8. Average Joe

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    In .380 I have used W231, Red Dot, and BE86. They all worked well for range use.
     
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  9. Ej3

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    Using 98 gr polycoated RN from Eggleston Munitions, I settled on two loads for reasonable recoil from the LCP.

    Titegroup - 2.6 gr at 0.980 OAL - 773 fps
    Accurate #2 - 2.7 gr at 0.980 OAL - 795 fps

    Of the two, the Accurate #2 is my favorite.
     
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  10. joneb

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    I load Xtreme 100 gr plated FP, W-231 and Accurate #5 for 380 ACP, both of these are good choices. For mild loads I use W231, for warmer loads I use #5.
     
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  11. cfullgraf

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    Right, but some folks do not like not being able to keep the variance below +/- 0.1 grain regardless.

    I would not win any bullseye competitions with 700-X 380 ACP loads but my accuracy is comparable as when using other powders. My 380ACPs still shoot better than I can.

    I've been using 700-X in my 45 ACP loads since 1980 and started using it in 380 ACP at the same time as I always have 700-X on hand. While I do have alternate loads for the 380ACP for times when 700-x is not available, I aways go back to 700-X.
     
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  12. lonniemike

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    Yes, I do like my TP 738. Has anyone worked up with lighter 65grn(lehigh) weights and higher speeds toward 12-1400fps? TIA The Lehigh round is not +P supposedly, but they do link with an ammo maker that makes some even faster plus ammo. Lehigh has componets and rounds available. I started with 100 of each. 231 is my first powder choice to try. The Oehler's magic will help match up factory speed vs reload speed.
     
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  13. Walkalong

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    LeHigh doesn't show anything over 1150 FPS in 65 Gr .380 ammo. I wouldn't be trying to get 1200, much less 1400 FPS from them in .380.

    9MM is another question.
     
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  14. lonniemike

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    Shootin from the lips.What memory. I still wonder if anyone has worked up the Lehigh or other light projectiles.1400 is crazy Underwood is the ammo maker that shows 1300fps at Lehigh's site. BE 86 is something I don't have. I may try some if the 231 isn't what I want to use. Any lower weight and higher speed info would be much apprecciated. It is interesting seeing a X in the paper instead of a hole in the paper.TIA
     
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  15. Walkalong

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    Not in .380. If you try to get 1300 FPS from them in .380 you are going to have issues. Not to mention it's completely off topic for the the thread.
     
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