4 Year old accidentally shoots himself

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Oh...mercy me. :rolleyes:

If a "parent" locks the child inside a car on a 100 degree day and he/she dies, it's an "accident".

If a "parent" cuts the arms off the child, then said parent has "post-partum depession".

If the "parent" systematically drowns three or more children in the bathtub, see above.

However, if a gun is involved, the rules change? Oh yeah, the gun is the cause of the problem, but the car/knife/bathtub is irrelevant.

Time to take to task our judicial idiots, our moronic press and our views on personal responsibility...if it's not already too late....
 
Thanks, I've been hearing a lot about that gun and caliber lately, don't know why
 
If this kid had swallowed a bottle of pills and died would the police be pressing charges. I don't think so. This is a clear example of why we need to educate children how to safely handle a firearm. Nobody killed this child only ignorance of gun safety is at blame here. I'm not condoning illegal possession of guns by teenagers but the fact that the gun was illegal makes no difference in this case.
 
Amen Orionengnr

course - other than the car scenario... i think the parent should have went down :p

PPD is like saying because you went crazy you forgot right from wrong... in which case it can happen again... depression vs. i had a kid depression doesn't concern me... even in my most depressed state i knew right from wrong... so i can only look at it from my own view... since i can't imagine it ... in any sense from another view.. just never will compute a "mother" being so depressed she kills her children. a GUY ya... but a mom no... hehe The hardwireing is different. The closest i came to understanding that was a mom who said she'd kill (kid) then herself because she didn't want (kid) to deal with X after she killed herself... which is STILL girl thinking. (either way - no killing/suicide happened...)

Leaving yer kid in the car, while as stupid (ok more...) as driving through a pond that suddenly appeared where one didn't exist before (during flooding major rainstorm etc..) can still be criminal - but at least is an honest accident...

i heard someone here in TX is saying its the FD's fault their family member died because "they didn't do enough" never mind the guy tried to roll his car through what must have looked like a river... yeap... gotta be the FD's fault... bleh

If i had kids in the house, i'd be VERY mindful of where the guns where - how they were loaded...etc.. the kids would have an idea how to use them, and when... and i don't know... just seems like (mind i said SEEMS like) parents are taking a very different path towards parenting than i got as a kid. as a kid i KNEW my dad would figure out whatever it was i did wrong... and i'd get in trouble for it... so trained me to not do something wrong... cause i knew i'd get in trouble for it. (too often he DID know..roflmao)

Seems to be something very different going on now... and that has nothing to do w/ omg i had a baby i have to kill all my children. Did that happen 50 years ago!??!

bleh - i'm rambling now...

take care!

J
 
How in the hell does a four year-old shoot himself with an SA pistol that is notoriously difficult to cock and exceptionally unergonomic to shoot? My wife probably couldn't rack the slide of my CZ-52. Even the safety is stiff and hard to manipulate. Did the brain-dead 17 year-old leave a cocked gun lying around, or did the 12 and 14 year-olds mess around with it and accidentally shoot their brother?

Of course, any speculation does not diminish the negligence of the parents or older brother.
 
Did the brain-dead 17 year-old leave a cocked gun lying around
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You probably didn't even need to ask that.

The 17 year-old probably bought that thing to be gangster, and doesn't know how to work it aside from pulling the trigger. It's a shame it didn't go off when tucked in his pants.
 
Seems to be something very different going on now... and that has nothing to do w/ omg i had a baby i have to kill all my children. Did that happen 50 years ago!??!
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Yes, it happened a lot longer than 50 years ago. There is a famous case of a girl name Lizzie Borden that killed her entire family with an ax in 1892. The History Channel did a show on it as a famous crime. Nothing to do with PPD though.


The only comment I can think of on this case is to agree with the comment above about a kid getting into a bottle of pills or some kitchen cleaner and getting killed. Would charges be brought in that case?
 
PPD is like saying because you went crazy you forgot right from wrong... in which case it can happen again... depression vs. i had a kid depression doesn't concern me... even in my most depressed state i knew right from wrong... so i can only look at it from my own view... since i can't imagine it ... in any sense from another view.. just never will compute a "mother" being so depressed she kills her children. a GUY ya... but a mom no... hehe The hardwireing is different. The closest i came to understanding that was a mom who said she'd kill (kid) then herself because she didn't want (kid) to deal with X after she killed herself... which is STILL girl thinking. (either way - no killing/suicide happened...)
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Don't forget Post-Partum Psychosis (THAT's the part where right and wrong go out the window). I've been severely depressed before, but never became psychotic thankfully.

As for the topic at hand: a very irresponsible series of events occured, precipitating the death of an innocent who could not know better. Very, very sad, and equally vexing, regarding the teenage facilitators of this event.
 
The child did not accidently shoot itself.....

IT WAS GROSS HUMAN NEGLEGANCE!
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That kind of annoys me too for some reason. Its death by misadventure, but nowadays everything gets classed as an accident.
 
Some of these "toddler shoots himself" stories are hard for me to believe.

I guess some people really do leave cocked & loaded guns lying around for toddlers to find, but I believe that at least some of these situations are cover stories to conceal someone else's negligent discharge.
 
I think the parents should be charged for gross negligence in the storage of a firearm, unless its the 17 year old who owned it, then the former doesn't apply. However, a 17 year old with a pistol unsupervised is a felony, if this is the case, then he's in a world of hurt.
 
Don't forget Post-Partum Psychosis (THAT's the part where right and wrong go out the window). I've been severely depressed before, but never became psychotic thankfully.
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Very true... somewhere in my brain i find it hard to "forgive" someone because they suddenly snapped for whatever reason. Excusing it is asking for it to happen again. Its different in the sense that someone who "steals to eat" having learned his/her lesson might figure out other ways to make it vs. what he/she did to get him/her locked up and (eventually) released.

The whole snapping/PPD argument leaves no room for "cured" or "learned their lesson" it only leaves room for ... could happen again. (In my own regular person view)

-Jason
 
think about it, there is no way , a 4 yr old, could load a mag(tough mag) load the weapon, rack the slide/and or cock it, if there was a bullet in the chamber, and then shoot himself. Either he found it cocked, and not locked, in his bro's room, or the older brother shot him accidentally. cz 52's are not going to be loaded and fired by anyone, who does not have experience with them, or at least some knowledge of semi auto's.
 
Oh...mercy me.

If a "parent" locks the child inside a car on a 100 degree day and he/she dies, it's an "accident".

If a "parent" cuts the arms off the child, then said parent has "post-partum depession".

If the "parent" systematically drowns three or more children in the bathtub, see above.

However, if a gun is involved, the rules change? Oh yeah, the gun is the cause of the problem, but the car/knife/bathtub is irrelevant.

Time to take to task our judicial idiots, our moronic press and our views on personal responsibility...if it's not already too late....
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Guns are evil.

Haven't you heard?!
 
7.62 x 25 is a handgun caliber that will defeat most body armor. That's probably why you've been hearing about them lately. Tragic story and it sounds like a cover up of something more malicious.
 
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