404 Jeffery, but in a Lever Gun?

[troy fairweather]

Why not a 45-90 case necked down.

 

[Sneakshot92]

Quarantine is clearly going on too long because an idea popped into my head this morning and I cannot quite let it go.

Using an existing relatively common parent cartridge case, would it be possible to wildcat your way into replicating the old 404 Jeff in a modern lever gun?

Parameters: A 400 grain 10.72mm (.423) bullet at 2100 FPS our of a 24 inch barrel (yes, I realize the original load was 450 at 2150...a man's gotta know his limitations).

Parent cases for consideration: 450 Marlin, 45-70, 444 Marlin, 500 S&W? (Buffalo Bore manages 360gr at 1900 out of a handgun in their 460 S&W loads...)

Platform: No single shots or box mag fed lever guns (Browning BLR, Winchester 1895, & Henry Long Ranger are out of contention), otherwise, choose your adventure. Obviously this rules out spirepoints, but most of the old safari rounds didn't fall in that category anyway.

This is just a for-fun/because I'm bored academic discussion of "is it possible" (unless @LoonWulf sees this & is feeling froggy).

I'd say start with an 1895 Marlin action in 444 Marlin for action strength and a higher pressure rated parent case. Maybe neck it down to 40 cal and give it the Ackley treatment to help reduce chamber pressure and increase top end velocity? Just my honest and maybe overthought opinion.

 

[Sneakshot92]

isnt that basically a .22 jet, just less tapery?


I agree with goint hot on a .405 being the easiest route.

I think the 22 jet was a shortened and tapered down 30-30 case.

 

[DocRock]

I thought I was going to be clever, but apparently 405 Win is not my very own secret...

Well, whichever variation on that theme one chooses, it should be chambered in the Model 1895. Because, awesome.

 

[Archie]

404 Jeffery in a lever gun?

There are some things that just are not done.

 

[WisBorn]

Quarantine is clearly going on too long because an idea popped into my head this morning and I cannot quite let it go.

Using an existing relatively common parent cartridge case, would it be possible to wildcat your way into replicating the old 404 Jeff in a modern lever gun?

Parameters: A 400 grain 10.72mm (.423) bullet at 2100 FPS our of a 24 inch barrel (yes, I realize the original load was 450 at 2150...a man's gotta know his limitations).

Parent cases for consideration: 450 Marlin, 45-70, 444 Marlin, 500 S&W? (Buffalo Bore manages 360gr at 1900 out of a handgun in their 460 S&W loads...)

Platform: No single shots or box mag fed lever guns (Browning BLR, Winchester 1895, & Henry Long Ranger are out of contention), otherwise, choose your adventure. Obviously this rules out spirepoints, but most of the old safari rounds didn't fall in that category anyway.

This is just a for-fun/because I'm bored academic discussion of "is it possible" (unless @LoonWulf sees this & is feeling froggy).

I think this quarantine is getting to many of us
I like the idea of another big bore lever gun.

Fyi, public ranges opening up in SC on Tuesday Safe shooting with social distancing

 

[Insignificant bill]

I'm amazed with what people have come up with.

 

[js8588]

I'm amazed with what people have come up with.

Yeah, this was a fun thread.