RealGun
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If you find or make suitable bullets
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If you find or make suitable bullets
Finding jacketed is no problem...casting is a kinda drawn out process of finding the right size bullet. My guns (that I shoot) both like .4115 to .412 sized bullets. The molds I use are ones I have acquired over a period of tme...They work for me. I am getting ready to try coated bullets next
RealGun
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I just bought bullets after checking all the links I had saved. I wasn't looking for hollow points and the associated expense. I didn't find SJSP, plain ball...nothing. I wasn't considering plated but would have bought coated lead if I had found it. Maybe another time. I wanted high velocity bullets that wouldn't cause an hour of barrel cleaning. I bought gas checks.
I have the equipment, book, and supplies I need if I cannot buy bullets, but reloading is enough of a chore without having to make my own bullets. If I did, they would be gas checks for my magnums (327, 357, 41, 44,, 45 Colt Tier 3). My lead stash is Missouri Bullet, Lyman #2 alloy.
I bought some Nosler 210 HPs the other day..Paid 18 a hundred.. But I find 41 bullets at gun shows all the time. 44s are scarce as are 357s. Last gun sow I traded 99 new 280 brass for 150 primed new 41 mag brass and a set of carbide 38/357 dies..new too. Figured I did so well I dug around in the stuff under the table and gave the guy another 20 once fired 280s when he came by again. Moulds for the 41 include some custom ones made by MP molds and standard Lymans..one H&G 258 and a NOE 412-238. As far as making them up..I have l1000lbs of lead ingots in 20-1 15-1 10-1 and even some 8-1 alloys. Most of them are gas check moulds. I use A star sizer so it goes pretty quickly. I'd rather make cast bullets than do case prep for my 223 cases. Hateful job..even with the Giraud trimmer
Frank V
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CajunBass
On page 29!
What happened here is that you got a great excuse to go get another mod. 58!!!
Plus you have a Wife who loves to shoot the mod. 58 with you, what a great place to be!!!
On page 29!
What happened here is that you got a great excuse to go get another mod. 58!!!
Plus you have a Wife who loves to shoot the mod. 58 with you, what a great place to be!!!
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CajunBass
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Actually my wife decided she wanted a Glock 17 now. So we got her a Glock. She shot that yesterday at the range and loved it. Then she told me she was tired and wanted to stop. No problem. So I start shooting my Model 15. She watches a bit then taps me on the shoulder..."Let me try that one."
You see what I have to put up with? What's mine is her's and what her's is her's.
I wouldn't trade her for anything.
To keep this 41 related, I'll add that I got a box of Berry's 210 grain plated flat points so I'm set for reloading for a while.
I'll toss in a couple more pictures with some new grips I got.
Bonded ivory. No idea who made them. I get them off E-bay. They'll be just for show.
Frank V
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CajunBass
Yup that's usually the way it works.......
The G17 is an awesome gun, they ALWAYS work.
Heck you may just have to get a double of each gun???
I'd sure like to get some of those Berry plated .41s. I've got some lead SWCs, but the bevel base is so pronounced that if they were rifle bullets we'd call them a boat tail & I'm getting leading with them.
I will eventually get a flatbase mould or two & get after the casting.
I'm wanting penetration more than expansion.
PS: those stocks are beautiful, I'd use it just as it is.
Yup that's usually the way it works.......
The G17 is an awesome gun, they ALWAYS work.
Heck you may just have to get a double of each gun???
I'd sure like to get some of those Berry plated .41s. I've got some lead SWCs, but the bevel base is so pronounced that if they were rifle bullets we'd call them a boat tail & I'm getting leading with them.
I will eventually get a flatbase mould or two & get after the casting.
I'm wanting penetration more than expansion.
PS: those stocks are beautiful, I'd use it just as it is.
CajunBass
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tightgroup tiger
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I have a model 57 but the more I look at model 58s the worse I want one. I probably die of old age before one comes available around here. I may have to do something about this.
Cajun Bass, That is one beautiful gun you have. The play of light in the picture is fantastic.
Cajun Bass, That is one beautiful gun you have. The play of light in the picture is fantastic.
tightgroup tiger
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I hear you big time! I don't know if I would care at this point if the right one came along.
I'm not getting any younger and neither are they.
Barry the Bear
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I should be getting in a model 57 here too pretty soon.
Frank V
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CajunBass thanks for that info. Those look like good bullets.
Barry when it gets here we'd like a full report & when you get it to the range we'd sure like to hear the results. You are going to like it.
Barry when it gets here we'd like a full report & when you get it to the range we'd sure like to hear the results. You are going to like it.
41 Mag
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You know those Smith's sure do have some nice lines and curves, sort of like those cheerleader gals everyone used to chase after so much in school.
Me I always went for the plain jane ol fashion ones who didn't smear up with make up or fancy clothes. They always seemed to me a whole lot more fun. Sort of like my Ruger's, they ain't the prettiest at the dance, but they hold their looks pretty well, and seem to work a lot harder for ya.
Me I always went for the plain jane ol fashion ones who didn't smear up with make up or fancy clothes. They always seemed to me a whole lot more fun. Sort of like my Ruger's, they ain't the prettiest at the dance, but they hold their looks pretty well, and seem to work a lot harder for ya.
tightgroup tiger
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There is a lot of truth in that, but my Smiths have always done what I needed them to do.
I know in some ways the young ladies Ruger offers can do it better.
I'd like to have a young pretty one, who wouldn't, in fact I have one now (my 57 not a girl), but I'll probably end up with a 58 that's old and weathered, like me, if I ever find one.
Frank V
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Ahhhh My Wife asked me what I'd like for my Birthday. I said a Lee .41 195gr SWC mould, & a Lyman sizing die.......
Hope hope. Then I'll be independent of bullet manufacturers for the .41!!!
Hope hope. Then I'll be independent of bullet manufacturers for the .41!!!
missourimike
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missourimike
Well, we are on page 30 or so of the 41 Associates, I trust named after the 44 Associates of the pre world war 2 era. Why not. Read every page, loved every photo. I have owned I think, almost every variation of 41 mag known, models 57 & 58 in blue and nickel, several each, blue Redhawk, Marlin lever, several Blackhawks. The Marlin was a wonderful one hole shooter at 60 yds with receiver site off a bench. They all got away to pay medical bills as I entered the "golden years" of geezerhood.
Got a new lease on life and a new Blackhawk from Buds. Had a high polish blue job done & put on some moose antler grips, (moose killed by previously owned 41 mag. in the dim past. I had a permit. If handguns were illegal, the statute of limitations has expired.) If I can figure out how to work the camera my wife gave me will try to place photos here. Been shooting the 41. since it came out, since I read Elmer Keiths tales of caribou hunting in Alaska with a 4 inch 57. We were pen pals all during the 70's. His willingness to share and be friends with any common gunny was the great thing about him. His painfully typed letters were a treasure. Anyway, here is a 41 magnum story.
I was on the police force of a large eastern city about 1970. Maybe earlier. Richard Davis of Second Chance bullet proof vest fame was touring police conventions doing demonstrations where he shot himself in the chest while wearing one of his own vests, usually at the Chiefs banquet table. Maybe some of you saw one of his presentations.
My employer ordered several on a test basis, mostly for the violent demonstrations of the era - anti Vietnam - Lincoln Rockwells Nazis and the JDL in the street at the same time. We were thinking defense against flying objects and clubs etc. Also test to see if they could be worn in our hot summer weather, a feature of life on the Mason Dixon line. I had one. I hied myself off to a rural location where some of the force horses were boarded part of the year. Propped the vest against a corral post and let fly with my off duty model 58 (only issue model 10's for on duty). The Remington jacketed 210 grain load went thru the front layer and lodged, partly in, the inside back of the vest.
We sent it back to Davis. Thereafter, his brochure stated that some rounds could pierce the vest, and named the 41 mag remington full power load specifically. Hope someone found this bit of history of interest. Live long and prosper.
PS: The 41 has long needed its own forum. Thanks be for this one.
Well, we are on page 30 or so of the 41 Associates, I trust named after the 44 Associates of the pre world war 2 era. Why not. Read every page, loved every photo. I have owned I think, almost every variation of 41 mag known, models 57 & 58 in blue and nickel, several each, blue Redhawk, Marlin lever, several Blackhawks. The Marlin was a wonderful one hole shooter at 60 yds with receiver site off a bench. They all got away to pay medical bills as I entered the "golden years" of geezerhood.
Got a new lease on life and a new Blackhawk from Buds. Had a high polish blue job done & put on some moose antler grips, (moose killed by previously owned 41 mag. in the dim past. I had a permit. If handguns were illegal, the statute of limitations has expired.) If I can figure out how to work the camera my wife gave me will try to place photos here. Been shooting the 41. since it came out, since I read Elmer Keiths tales of caribou hunting in Alaska with a 4 inch 57. We were pen pals all during the 70's. His willingness to share and be friends with any common gunny was the great thing about him. His painfully typed letters were a treasure. Anyway, here is a 41 magnum story.
I was on the police force of a large eastern city about 1970. Maybe earlier. Richard Davis of Second Chance bullet proof vest fame was touring police conventions doing demonstrations where he shot himself in the chest while wearing one of his own vests, usually at the Chiefs banquet table. Maybe some of you saw one of his presentations.
My employer ordered several on a test basis, mostly for the violent demonstrations of the era - anti Vietnam - Lincoln Rockwells Nazis and the JDL in the street at the same time. We were thinking defense against flying objects and clubs etc. Also test to see if they could be worn in our hot summer weather, a feature of life on the Mason Dixon line. I had one. I hied myself off to a rural location where some of the force horses were boarded part of the year. Propped the vest against a corral post and let fly with my off duty model 58 (only issue model 10's for on duty). The Remington jacketed 210 grain load went thru the front layer and lodged, partly in, the inside back of the vest.
We sent it back to Davis. Thereafter, his brochure stated that some rounds could pierce the vest, and named the 41 mag remington full power load specifically. Hope someone found this bit of history of interest. Live long and prosper.
PS: The 41 has long needed its own forum. Thanks be for this one.
Frank V
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Missourimike
Welcome to the forum.
Thanks for that post I'd forgotten about Richard Davis shooting himself with his vest on.
I got a call from a friend Fri. about a yard sale with some gun stuff, bullets etc. Well I went over found out I know the person having the yard sale & came away with almost 700 cast .41 bullets some lubed & sized but most cast, unsized or lubed. I miked them & they go .4115 the weights vary form 202grs to 227grs. I've got a sizing die request for my BD. If I get that I'm set for awhile, oh I paid $30 for the bunch. Whoever cast those bullets knew what he was doing they are beautiful, well filled out, very little weight variance, & I didn't have to spend hours at the melting pot. They wouldn't go through the chambers of the cylinder, but some commercial cast I have mike .4095 & they are an easy push through, I hope I'm getting a .410 die that should be perfect.
Let's keep this .41 thread going!!!!
The .41 mag & it's trappings.
Welcome to the forum.
Thanks for that post I'd forgotten about Richard Davis shooting himself with his vest on.
I got a call from a friend Fri. about a yard sale with some gun stuff, bullets etc. Well I went over found out I know the person having the yard sale & came away with almost 700 cast .41 bullets some lubed & sized but most cast, unsized or lubed. I miked them & they go .4115 the weights vary form 202grs to 227grs. I've got a sizing die request for my BD. If I get that I'm set for awhile, oh I paid $30 for the bunch. Whoever cast those bullets knew what he was doing they are beautiful, well filled out, very little weight variance, & I didn't have to spend hours at the melting pot. They wouldn't go through the chambers of the cylinder, but some commercial cast I have mike .4095 & they are an easy push through, I hope I'm getting a .410 die that should be perfect.
Let's keep this .41 thread going!!!!
The .41 mag & it's trappings.
missourimike
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Domino and Frank, thank you for the greet. Good luck with those lead bullets. Let us know how it comes out. I am currently in Arizona, despite my member name. A dead consulting business picked up so I had to stay here awhile. In this town guns last ten minutes if part of a garage sale. Any gun, gone immediately as soon as the garage door goes up. 41 mag leads bullets might not go right away. Maybe you have noticed the dealers favorite trick when presented with a mint used 41 for trade? "Nobody wants that weird caliber. Can't get anything for it. Can't offer you much." After he has it for sale he says, "41 has a cult following. These guns are rare. I can't let it go cheap." Seen it often. Spect you have too.
For what its worth, my lead load was always 7.5 grains of Unique, now Alliant, with a 210 grain bullet for right at 1000 FPS from a 6" blackhawk. Myh groups size has doubled with time, but in good light if I have all day to line up the sites I can still shoot consistent 4 to 5 inch groups at 50 yds, bench rest. With or without glasses. Just depends on if I want the target or the front site to be blurry. I know, I know. Scopes. Red dots.
But they change everything about using a handgun. Not mention carrying. If only they made glasses that worked near and far, but we have to take our choice I guess. If anyone has a solution to this I would like to hear it.
For what its worth, my lead load was always 7.5 grains of Unique, now Alliant, with a 210 grain bullet for right at 1000 FPS from a 6" blackhawk. Myh groups size has doubled with time, but in good light if I have all day to line up the sites I can still shoot consistent 4 to 5 inch groups at 50 yds, bench rest. With or without glasses. Just depends on if I want the target or the front site to be blurry. I know, I know. Scopes. Red dots.
But they change everything about using a handgun. Not mention carrying. If only they made glasses that worked near and far, but we have to take our choice I guess. If anyone has a solution to this I would like to hear it.
Frank V
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Will do Missourimike.
Glad to have you on the forum. Look forward to hearing from you!
I have an old load I used to use to hunt deer with using the Sierra 170gr JHC & it clocked right at 1500 from a 7-1/2". But I'm wanting a heavier bullet now that I hunt & Live in Grizzly country. I'm hoping I'll get a .410 sizing die & I'll soon know how those shoot.
I've often heard that Unique is a great powder for mid .41 loads & I will sure try it.
Thanks
Glad to have you on the forum. Look forward to hearing from you!
I have an old load I used to use to hunt deer with using the Sierra 170gr JHC & it clocked right at 1500 from a 7-1/2". But I'm wanting a heavier bullet now that I hunt & Live in Grizzly country. I'm hoping I'll get a .410 sizing die & I'll soon know how those shoot.
I've often heard that Unique is a great powder for mid .41 loads & I will sure try it.
Thanks
Frank V
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Been a long time since anyone has posted.
I'm trying the Lee TL & RCBS lube methods. I am getting less leading (very little with TL) but still getting some. Sizing .410, I may try unsized to see if .410 is too small? If it persists I'm going to fire lap the bbl even though it looks mirror bright & smooth?
I'm trying the Lee TL & RCBS lube methods. I am getting less leading (very little with TL) but still getting some.
Sizing .410, I may try unsized to see if .410 is too small? If it persists I'm going to fire lap the bbl even though it looks mirror bright & smooth?Frank V, how heavy do you want to go? I posted a link quite a few pages back about a guy that used a 250WFN over 9gr of Unique that took a cow elk at about 74 yards. Though it only started out at 1100fps it still completly penetrated the animal.
lts been 4 yrs since l first talked about 41 magnums in post #167 of this very thread... Some additions have come to my 41s. l now have a SW 657 PC170125 that l shoot regularly...0nly 137 of them made...41s are made to be SHOT,not just looked at..Also a TC Contender41mag 14'' arrived around Christmas, but has gotten no range time...
l fell upon the holy grail of bullets for the 41mag this week on GB.. TWO boxes of Speer half jacket 41 mag 200gr JHP..
l believe S&W has totally abandoned the 41mag.. Last year was its 50TH Anniversary...Not a mention or hi-5 for this fine cartridge.
l picked up a Saeco 220gr 4cav .410 recently...lt sure does make perty bullets and they fly great w/8gr Unique... They will smack those 55 lb Rams off the rail @ 200 meters as good as any out there
l fell upon the holy grail of bullets for the 41mag this week on GB.. TWO boxes of Speer half jacket 41 mag 200gr JHP..
l believe S&W has totally abandoned the 41mag.. Last year was its 50TH Anniversary...Not a mention or hi-5 for this fine cartridge.
l picked up a Saeco 220gr 4cav .410 recently...lt sure does make perty bullets and they fly great w/8gr Unique... They will smack those 55 lb Rams off the rail @ 200 meters as good as any out there
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