LUCKYDAWG13
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Is that out of a contender80k round of what, exactly? Light target loads, sure. Full pressure magnums, no way in hell.
In general or with 240gr bullets? Note the Hodgdon .41 data is with a 10" barrel.
Is that out of a contender80k round of what, exactly? Light target loads, sure. Full pressure magnums, no way in hell.
In general or with 240gr bullets? Note the Hodgdon .41 data is with a 10" barrel.
Presumably.Is that out of a contender
I'm surprised it took to the 3rd page for pictures to appear. As for the differences between the two, if you're staying within the realm of S&W revolvers, think of the M25 in .45 Colt as a big-bore .38 Special. Low pressure, low velocity, but still effective. The M25 won't tolerate hot loads for long, 1000 fps is about the limit for a 250 grain bullet and maybe 900 fps for a 300 grain, if you want the gun to last a while. The M57/58, are more like .357 Magnum Magnums. You can launch 210 grain bullets all day at 1400 fps. I enjoy shooting both. The .45 Colt doesn't punish your shooting hand nearly as much as .41M will.I'll prefix this by saying that both of these calibers from S&W are on my 2022 radar. I'm going to end up most likely with both a Model 25 and a Model 57. So, what's the difference between the two.? Recoil is not an issue, I'd just like to have some feedback as to peoples' perceptions of both wheel guns.
I think that's a safe assumption, based on weight and velocity. Hodgdon data gets it about 150-200fps over that.I assume Ruger only but the HMS 325 grain bear load shoots a bit softer than full (Ruger) power Buffalo Bore +P.3C
I still just don't understand why people try to turn a 45 colt or even a 41 magnum into a 44 magnum
Pressure-wise, it's right there with Hodgdon's starting load at 18,000CUP. Of course, without knowing what powders are used, we have no way of estimating the pressure of the HSM load.For HSM they do in fact recommend the Ruger Blackhawk and not much else.
https://hsmammunition.com/faqs/
From their FAQ:
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45 Colt ammunition OTHER than Cowboy Action ammunition is for use ONLY in the OLD STYLE LARGE FRAME Ruger Blackhawk (post 1973, not the pre 1973 3-screw) including the ORIGINAL Ruger Vaquero and Ruger Bisley version of the Blackhawk, the Thompson/Center Contender, the Magnum Research BFR, or any firearm chambered in 454 Casull or 460 S&W including the Taurus Raging Judge.
It is NOT for the NEW STYLE SMALL FRAME Ruger Blackhawk and its variants like the NEW Vaquero or the New Flat-top Blackhawks.
It is NOT suitable for the Colt Single Action Army, Colt Cowboy, Colt Anaconda or Ruger Redhawk, Taurus Judge, any Smith and Wesson revolvers including the Governor or any vintage or replica firearms.
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Why not? It's a trail well-beaten.Yes, I have an older Ruger Vaquero that can take the Ruger-only .45 Colt loads... but why, unless you just have to have that power?
Why not? It's a trail well-beaten.
I still just don't understand why people try to turn a 45 colt or even a 41 magnum into a 44 magnum but I guess I'm just as guilty but in the other direction I like lighter loads now
Pressure-wise, it's right there with Hodgdon's starting load at 18,000CUP. Of course, without knowing what powders are used, we have no way of estimating the pressure of the HSM load.
Hodgdon H110 0.452" 1.680" 21.0 1,109 18,100 CUP
It's interesting that they exclude the Anaconda, which is at least as strong as the Blackhawk and the Redhawk, which is measurably stronger, by 20,000psi.
Holy smokes! Has any one of those guns ever been fired?I'm surprised it took to the 3rd page for pictures to appear. As for the differences between the two, if you're staying within the realm of S&W revolvers, think of the M25 in .45 Colt as a big-bore .38 Special. Low pressure, low velocity, but still effective. The M25 won't tolerate hot loads for long, 1000 fps is about the limit for a 250 grain bullet and maybe 900 fps for a 300 grain, if you want the gun to last a while. The M57/58, are more like .357 Magnum Magnums. You can launch 210 grain bullets all day at 1400 fps. I enjoy shooting both. The .45 Colt doesn't punish your shooting hand nearly as much as .41M will.
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Many times. I've had the M57 the longest of the three, I've probably put 250-300 rounds through it in the last couple of years. The M58 was ANIB when I got it, had been a safe queen its entire life (since 1967).I've shot it maybe 150 rounds in the 1-1/2 years I've had it. I bought the M25-5 the day after New Year this year and have put about 250 rounds through it. It's a fun gun to shoot, less recoil than the .41's. I don't think it had been fired but a very few times when I found it at a gun show. I have the original stocks for it, but no box, tools, etc. Same with the M57, no box or tools, and it had non-factory stocks when I got it, different from the ones in the picture. It's also an "S" SN, like the M58, and it had been shot a fair amount. It also had the vented rib on it when I got it. I reload, so finding ammo isn't a big issue.Holy smokes! Has any one of those guns ever been fired?
I bought some ammo when I got my first 41 Magnum and still have most of it. The 41 shoots lead bullets and XTPs, no problem. I reload, so the cartridge is a good fit for me.I always felt like the 41 magnum gave you 95% of the power of a 44 magnum with only about 80% of the recoil, which is a nice tradeoff. Bullet selection and availability is just so much greater with the 44 that I still think it's a better choice. But I still have several of each that I shoot regularly.
I always felt like the 41 magnum gave you 95% of the power of a 44 magnum with only about 80% of the recoil, which is a nice tradeoff. Bullet selection and availability is just so much greater with the 44 that I still think it's a better choice. But I still have several of each that I shoot regularly.