Sarcastic_Hate
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hello i wanted to know if a 410 shotgun slug would kill a bear or a deer ?
not hunting for bear just wanted to know if i was hunting for deer and a bear tried to attack me if i would be okay with the 410
1/5 ounce. At the muzzle about what a lead 357 does. At fifty yards, not so good. Probably the reason most states that require slugs for deer exclude the 410 for deer.
OP did not specify what slug he was considering, I default to the standard load. In your state research, were these "shotgun only" states or all that you could find? Not arguing or challenging, just want to compare apples to apples. I, personally, would not choose a 410 as a bear gun. Sure you can kill one with a 410. I'd go a little bigger. Cheers.1/5 oz is 87.5 gr. Some of the 3-inch slugs are 1/4 ounce (~109r). Brenneke slugs are 114gr. Ballistic products sells a 410 slug for reloaders that is ~123 gr.
From my Winchester 9410 those Brenneke slugs were moving at just over 2000 fps generating a bit over 1000 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. The Brenneke slugs are a very hard alloy unlike most of the more traditional foster slugs in 410 and thus penetrate very well in my testing of both water jugs, wet phone books, and the one deer I shot with them. The 114gr Brenneke Slug going just over 2000 fps out penetrated a 180gr XTP 40 cal bullet going 1300 in both water jugs and wet paper. Both (technically the 200gr XTP) have pass through deer for me.
As for the legality of 410 slugs for deer that last time I researched it (a bit over a decade ago) 22 states allowed it, 19 did not and 9 I was unable to determine at the time.
OP did not specify what slug he was considering, I default to the standard load. In your state research, were these "shotgun only" states or all that you could find? Not arguing or challenging, just want to compare apples to apples. I, personally, would not choose a 410 as a bear gun. Sure you can kill one with a 410. I'd go a little bigger. Cheers.
Seven years ago I shot and killed a chupacabra I thought would be the state record. Turned out it was a opossum with mange.I also carry a 10mm Auto though. You know, chupacabras and all that.
The smallest deer I’ve seen were around Boerne when I lived there in the 90’s.It depends on the deer. These dog sized things here in North Texas, yes.
A big mulie? No.
Phil Shoemaker. He hangs out at 24 Hour Campfire and there was quite a long thread about it.Full grown brown bear have been killed with 9mm.
With things being equal and I could choose my 410 it would be one of those AK pattern shotgun. 20 rounds of 410 slugs should take care of Yogi.Just to stir the pot a touch. If I get to pick the ammo and 410 then I would take my Winchester 9410 loaded with Brenneke Slugs over a 10mm Auto handgun for bear defense without much reservation (rather have my anti-tank missile but...). In my testing I manage to out penetrate a decent 10mm load (180gr XTP at 1300fps) with the Brenneke slugs from my 9410. I get 9+1 capacity and in a "rifle" format it's much easier to get good hits. The rifle also works as a better club than the handgun would when things get really desperate.
Deer are easier to kill than humans