.429 bullet down a .432 throat?

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I have a Ruger Redhawk with throats that I measured with plug gauges to be .432+ (will take a .432 gauge, but not a .433).

My question is, what sort of accuracy can I expect shooting .429 jacketed bullets through these loose throats? I know that Elmer Keith and others have stated that bullet fit in the throats is vital to sixgun accuracy.

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-John
 
Your cylinder throats are fine. Groove diameter is more crucial.

Cylinder throat diameter should be slightly larger than groove diameter. This prevents a bullet from being swaged down smaller than groove diameter causing poor accuracy.

Your .429 jacketed bullets will be fine.

Elmer Keith shot lead bullets. Cylinder throat size is more of a concern with lead bullets because of varying bullet diameters.
 
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Exactly. If you're shooting jacketed, .429" is probably going to give you perfectly acceptable results.

If you get into cast lead, .432" will probably be right about perfect for a .431" bullet, which most .44 cast bullets are.
 
I've shot plenty of 100yd groups with my Redhawk in 44mag when it was scoped, that made a LOT of rifle shooters jealous and some even packed up and left mad.

Then my main bullet was the .429 Sierra 180gr JHC, loaded over a case full of 296.

Nowadays I am working on my cast loads and those bullet are being sized at .430. My cylinder chambers all were found to be.4315" when I slugged them with pure lead. Sizing to .430 hasn't been or shown any issues with leading or accuracy.

If your shooting jacketed your pretty much at the mercy of the manufacturers on size unless your making your own. Cast however you have a little leeway with some but most have sized them to around .430. Even so you can still have them that size and they shoot well, just maybe not to the top end all of accuracy you might could squeak out sizing them yourself.
 
I have a Ruger Redhawk with throats that I measured with plug gauges to be .432+ (will take a .432 gauge, but not a .433).

My question is, what sort of accuracy can I expect shooting .429 jacketed bullets through these loose throats? I know that Elmer Keith and others have stated that bullet fit in the throats is vital to sixgun accuracy.

Thanks,

-John
As mentioned (in passing) at by funklord12, it is the barrel to bullet fit that is critical.

When talking about lead bullets (which will be illuminating for jacketed bullets when you think about the lead ones), consider these thinkgs. If the throat swages your bullet down to less than barrel diameter, the bullet-to-bore seal will not be complete and you will get hot gasses going past the sides of the bullet and melting lead off of it (and then leading the inside of your barrel). So, if your throats are .433 and your (lead) bullets are .429 and your bore is .429, no problem. If your (lead) bullets are .429 to .433, no problem (and your bullets do not experience any swaging at the throat, but do in the forcing cone). If your bullets are .434, the will swage to .433 at the throat and then to .429 in the forcing cone. No problem.

Think of the transformations (particularly the diameter) the bullet goes through as it transits from case mouth to muzzle: 1) The bullet as manufactured; 2) The bullet as it exits the throat; 3) whether the bullet "upsets" as it is fired; 4) the bullet as it enters the forcing cone (and rifling), 5) the bullet-to-bore fit as it travels down the barrel.

If you bore is larger than the bullet as it exits the throat (whether it was swaged by the throat or at the time the bullet was manufactured, and did not "upset" upon firing) then you will probably have a problem.

Now about your jacketed bullets. They will exit your .433" throats with the same diameter they were when you pressed them into the brass. If they are the same size as your bore (groove diameter), or a little larger, you will get a good seal and the rifling will engage and spin the bullet properly. If the bullet is smaller than your bore, you could experience some barrel erosion, velocity and accuracy loss. If a LOT larger than your bore, you could experience higher-than-normal pressure.

Answer to find out? Slug your bore. (Push a soft lead slug down your bore, then measure the diameter of the slug. It will reveal the smallest diameter in your bore. If you find some spots where the slug is easier to push through than other spots, you have an uneven diameter barrel, which is a whole other set of questions.)

Thanks for asking our advice.

Lost Sheep
 
.432" diameter bullets (jacketed or lead) should shoot more accurately in your gun. a .003+" rattle down the throat and into the forcing cone doesn't sound good. it may be accurate enough in your gun for your purpose, but a bullet .001" less in diameter than the throat should shoot best.

that said, the only way to find out is to shoot em.

murf
 
Hornady ".44" bullets are .430"...

My SBH and Marlin prefer them to all other jacketed...

For the SBH I can get away with .431" cast, but the Marlin wants .432" minimum cast, and .433" is better...
 
41mag, that combination has been my favorite for many years, love it!

The throat on my scoped SRH is like no less than .429", a .429' gauge fits like a bearing, perfect in other words. My SBH is slightly larger, not by much though, a .429" just drops through without being fitted in when completely clean, but a .430" won't go at all, it gets stuck. Both shoot 180 and 200 gr. full house 296 JHP loads very accurately. I once nailed a coyote from a good 200 yds. with my SRH on the first shot using the hood of my truck as a rest. I've also picked off big jack rabbits at similar distances with the SBH, but that was before my vision started going south.

GS
 
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