I could not find any data for N330 and the .45 so I interpolated the data for N320 & N340 in the .40 & .45 and N320, N330, and N340 data in the 9MM. I came up with some parameters for 185, 200, & 230 Gr. bullets and have loaded 3 each 230 Gr. Berry's RN @ 1.260 with X.X, X.X, & X.X amounts of N330 powder in 1/10 Gr. increments. I am going to chrono them and check for pressure signs today if the weather holds. Anybody else out there use N330 for 9mm, .40, or .45? It's burn rate should be excellent for this use. I will post results.
.45 ACP & N330
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Well I got an averages of 763, 770, and 778 and poor ES & SD with the three loads. No pressure with any of them. Back to the old drawing board. Bump it up I guess. I am having trouble getting good velocities with N320 and N340 in the .45 ACP. Don't know why, but I am running out of room to go up per the load book and the velocities are still low. ???
nwgunman
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I've never loaded with N330, but have done a lot of loading with N340. What I noticed is that I got more consistant results at higher pressures, i.e., hotter loads. Also, I was never happy with any brand of plated bullets...inconsistant results, bullet set back, etc. I use mostly Montana Gold bullets these days. 6.4gr of N340 in mixed, recycled brass, with Win large pistol primers at an OAL of 1.260 yielded an average 779fps. The extreme spread was about 40fps. This was using a Dillon 550B and some very well used, mixed headstamp brass so I was pretty happy with the results. For a practice load, it makes major and runs very well. Your 763fps for the 230 plated bullet also just makes major. How fast do you want to go? It might be those soft plated bullets.
pilot teacher
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Try 4gr of VV310 with the 230 Gr rn. The VV site has some 310 loads for the 45ACP. It burns perfectly clean not like Bullseye.
Hey HSMITH
I tried N310 with 185 SWC, 200 SWC, 230 JHP, & 250 TrFP and got excellent results at low velocities. It would do great for target loads. I am looking more for loads close to full for practice as well though. I have tried Clays, but I am missing something. It does not burn clean for me. Not a lot of residue, but it soots up the brass and is smokey. Am I doing something wrong with it? AA # 2 gave much better results at a wider range of velocities for me with all wieghts. And yes, nwgunman, I've noticed that N340, & N330 as well, settles down as pressure goes up.
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I tried N310 with 185 SWC, 200 SWC, 230 JHP, & 250 TrFP and got excellent results at low velocities. It would do great for target loads. I am looking more for loads close to full for practice as well though. I have tried Clays, but I am missing something. It does not burn clean for me. Not a lot of residue, but it soots up the brass and is smokey. Am I doing something wrong with it? AA # 2 gave much better results at a wider range of velocities for me with all wieghts. And yes, nwgunman, I've noticed that N340, & N330 as well, settles down as pressure goes up.
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Clays will smoke badly with lead bullets. Little or no smoke with jacketed though. I don't know about soot on the brass, it makes no difference to me at all so I never considered it one way or the other. Pretty much all of the Hodgdon powders on the quick end of the scale will smoke badly with lead bullets.
If you are looking for full power, low smoke and clean inside of printed data with lead bullets you are on a tough mission. Lots of us are doing it with Clays, especially in the competition circles, but can easily end up a couple tenths above listed max. The early Clays data was a little stronger, and I know I haven't proceeded outside of the early data, but I am above current data by a tenth or two on some loads. AA2 might be your best bet if it made velocities for you before. If it were me in your situation I would probably burn Unique, it will deliver as much velocity as you could want, low smoke and relatively clean. Nothing will be clean with lead, so clean is mostly relative. Coat the entire inside of the slide, frame around the top of the magwell including the disconnector and ejector and other parts that normally get dirty with a light grease. Your gun will simply wipe clean with a paper towel after a thousand rounds of lead bullet loads. If you are really lazy like me a can of non-chlorinated brake cleaner will hose the gun out and have it spotless in just seconds. The grease will keep the fouling soft and from sticking to the metal. Using this method cleanliness of the loads can go to the back of the list of important qualities in a load and you can focus on performance. Opens up the powder choices quite a bit. Mobil 1 synthetic grease is a good choice, and a 20 cent acid brush to apply it. One tube lasts for years even on a heavy shooting schedule.
If you are looking for full power, low smoke and clean inside of printed data with lead bullets you are on a tough mission. Lots of us are doing it with Clays, especially in the competition circles, but can easily end up a couple tenths above listed max. The early Clays data was a little stronger, and I know I haven't proceeded outside of the early data, but I am above current data by a tenth or two on some loads. AA2 might be your best bet if it made velocities for you before. If it were me in your situation I would probably burn Unique, it will deliver as much velocity as you could want, low smoke and relatively clean. Nothing will be clean with lead, so clean is mostly relative. Coat the entire inside of the slide, frame around the top of the magwell including the disconnector and ejector and other parts that normally get dirty with a light grease. Your gun will simply wipe clean with a paper towel after a thousand rounds of lead bullet loads. If you are really lazy like me a can of non-chlorinated brake cleaner will hose the gun out and have it spotless in just seconds. The grease will keep the fouling soft and from sticking to the metal. Using this method cleanliness of the loads can go to the back of the list of important qualities in a load and you can focus on performance. Opens up the powder choices quite a bit. Mobil 1 synthetic grease is a good choice, and a 20 cent acid brush to apply it. One tube lasts for years even on a heavy shooting schedule.
Thanks,I guess I wasn't clear. My fault. I'm shooting jacketed and plated bullets. I've tried the Precision polymer coated bullets and they show some promise. I shot W231 for years with lead.
My experience with Clays was I had to go over the recommended max by Hodgden, although I was not showing signs of any real pressure yet. Maybe I just need to tiptoe into a heavier charge? American Select shows some promise. Have you tried it? How about WST?
My experience with Clays was I had to go over the recommended max by Hodgden, although I was not showing signs of any real pressure yet. Maybe I just need to tiptoe into a heavier charge? American Select shows some promise. Have you tried it? How about WST?
Jim Watson
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Wax lubed lead bullets smoke pretty badly with any powder I have tried. It's the lube, not the powder. You might see a difference between powders, although I can't, but is it enough to MATTER in rapid fire?
I did not have good results from Rainier plated bullets and have not tried other brands. I load jacketed and "moly" coated lead.
I did not have good results from Rainier plated bullets and have not tried other brands. I load jacketed and "moly" coated lead.
I know I'm being picky. Strive for an A, may have to settle for a B. I have some loads I am happy with. I'm just experimenting, looking for the greener grass so to speak. I can live with AA# 2 or AA# 5 in the .45 for practice loads. N310 is pretty awesome for target loads although I don't know if it is worth the exspense. I'm going to try Clays and American Select some more and I want to try WST & WSF. I think I'll be done then and just use the best I have found. I have tried a bunch of things! The good old days were all those years when I shot 5.5 Grs. W231 and any 230 Gr. lead bullet and was happy as a pig in slop. Then I decided to try Pltd & Jktd bullets.
Good thing is if I quit being picky I've got enough different powders to shoot a loooong time before I'll have to buy more.
Good thing is if I quit being picky I've got enough different powders to shoot a loooong time before I'll have to buy more.
Oh OK, thought lead bullets were in the mix too.
With plated or jacketed I see very very little smoke with Clays, even shooting 8 or 10 shots in less than 2 seconds through a barrel in a match. TiteGroup does smoke enough to be seen but unless the light is just right I haven't had a problem.
WST is EXTREMELY temperature sensitive, and gets slower as temperatures increase. Shoots great, but if you need a certain power level it is a really poor choice. For range blasting it is a good powder.
WSF is like an extremely fine grained Unique, about the same burn rate and about the same performance. Some of the most accurate 9mm and 40 I have ever loaded were with WSF. I haven't shot much in 45, less than a pound I would guess and I don't recall anything worth mentioning positive or negative.
If you are running plated and jacketed at full power levels while staying clean and inside of printed data (I think I understand your wants now LOL) try a can of Universal Clays. Slower than Clays and about the same as WSF and Unique, clean, accurate, consistent within reason, will make 850 with a 230 JHP well inside of printed data too. I got about 925 if I remember correctly with a 230 JHP at the top of the data through a 5" barrel. That gun is a little faster than most, but not a lot.
With plated or jacketed I see very very little smoke with Clays, even shooting 8 or 10 shots in less than 2 seconds through a barrel in a match. TiteGroup does smoke enough to be seen but unless the light is just right I haven't had a problem.
WST is EXTREMELY temperature sensitive, and gets slower as temperatures increase. Shoots great, but if you need a certain power level it is a really poor choice. For range blasting it is a good powder.
WSF is like an extremely fine grained Unique, about the same burn rate and about the same performance. Some of the most accurate 9mm and 40 I have ever loaded were with WSF. I haven't shot much in 45, less than a pound I would guess and I don't recall anything worth mentioning positive or negative.
If you are running plated and jacketed at full power levels while staying clean and inside of printed data (I think I understand your wants now LOL) try a can of Universal Clays. Slower than Clays and about the same as WSF and Unique, clean, accurate, consistent within reason, will make 850 with a 230 JHP well inside of printed data too. I got about 925 if I remember correctly with a 230 JHP at the top of the data through a 5" barrel. That gun is a little faster than most, but not a lot.
Thanks. I have tried Universal. I just bought a 4lb der. of it after burning up two 1 lb. ders. The ES & SD are not as good as some , but it is accurate and real consistent. I just got back from the range again and I think I am done searching for the holy grail (no smoke, no residue, no soot, and accurate as hell). I have been searching for 8 months and I am satisfied I am as close as it gets. I have shot, counting today, 79 different loads with numerous powders and bullets. It was fun, but I think I am done. I reached that point shooting today, but me and my new chrongraph sure had fun.( Feb 2006 B-Day present).
8 or 10 shots in 2 seconds or less! I am in awe. I am just an average shooter with a pistol. Now, if you want to shoot a little benchrest I believe I can hang.
There is nothing like competition to prove components. I have been thinking of shooting in some local matches here. I need to find out more about what I need to participate. I know I won't be very good, but it should be fun.
8 or 10 shots in 2 seconds or less! I am in awe. I am just an average shooter with a pistol. Now, if you want to shoot a little benchrest I believe I can hang.
There is nothing like competition to prove components. I have been thinking of shooting in some local matches here. I need to find out more about what I need to participate. I know I won't be very good, but it should be fun.
nwgunman
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Maybe it's something to due with being sensitive to the position of the powder in the case when the round goes off. Some powders are way more position sensitive than others. I didn't think about this sooner because for the last 10 years or so I have been using the "IDPA chrono technique" which is to point the muzzle straight up right before firing to ensure that the powder is fully sitting in the rear of the case. Once in a while, especially when using a new (to me) powder, I'll run a string or two "from the draw" and sure enough, the deviations will be all over the place. I'll dig out the old log book and see what it shows from back when I first started using the V-V powders and let you know what I experienced. I think I remember VVN340 and N350 being fairly position sensitive.
So what was the magic recipe? You are killing me with the suspense!!! I want to know exactly what you found, anyone willing to test 79 loads is someone I want to listen to!
I am just a decent club level shooter, there are plenty of guys a LOT better with a pistol than I am. Please do get out and shoot a match, it is more fun than I could even begin to describe. If you have any questions on gear or what to expect or anything else I would be glad to help and there are competitors from many different disciplines on here that are very helpful as well. You won't regret going out and shooting a match until it is too late!!! Wait, did I type that out loud? Get out and try it, VERY addictive but insanely fun!
I am just a decent club level shooter, there are plenty of guys a LOT better with a pistol than I am. Please do get out and shoot a match, it is more fun than I could even begin to describe. If you have any questions on gear or what to expect or anything else I would be glad to help and there are competitors from many different disciplines on here that are very helpful as well. You won't regret going out and shooting a match until it is too late!!! Wait, did I type that out loud? Get out and try it, VERY addictive but insanely fun!
I will try it. The day I went to shoot at a benchrest "demo" of sorts by a couple of shooters in FT. Deposit Al. I was HOOKED! I was always fascinated by accurate rifles and I was hooked after the first group. It is a never ending, hopeless, frustrating, hair pulling, humble pie eating, wonderfull, magical, irratating, spine tingling, joyous, more humble pie eating, and occasionally estatic pursuit of putting every bullet through the same hole! ( did I get carried away?) I love it, and I love the competition with a great group of people. I have not been able to shoot lately as my younger son has been playing baseball just about 12 months a year the last 5 years. ( travel ball, high school ball, spring ball, all stars. ( his 13 and then 14 year old all star team went to the world series the last two years. He is where I have spent my time, and willingly, but I do miss it and hope to shoot some matches this year. More humble pie, :banghead: I'll be rusty.
I'll sort through the loads and share the best of what I found for me in .45. This is not target velocities I was testing. It was near full loads for defense practice, although I learned a little in that area working them up. I was going for 875 to 900 FPS with 185 Gr. / 825 to 850 FPS with 200 Gr. / 775 to 800 with 230 Gr. from a 4" barrel Kimber CDP. I would generally lose 30 to 40 FPS in my 3" CDP. Sometimes less with some loads.
The occasional win against the "big dogs" makes all the Humble Pie taste a little sweeter!
I'll sort through the loads and share the best of what I found for me in .45. This is not target velocities I was testing. It was near full loads for defense practice, although I learned a little in that area working them up. I was going for 875 to 900 FPS with 185 Gr. / 825 to 850 FPS with 200 Gr. / 775 to 800 with 230 Gr. from a 4" barrel Kimber CDP. I would generally lose 30 to 40 FPS in my 3" CDP. Sometimes less with some loads.
The occasional win against the "big dogs" makes all the Humble Pie taste a little sweeter!
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Oh yea. N330 doesn't work well in the .45. Vihtavuori left out data with it for a reason. Suprise suprise, right. They do generally know wht they are doing. They shows loads for 9MM, perhaps I'll get good results there.
treebeard
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I printed out your Excel spreadsheet and I have to say that you put together the most useful and thorough data on .45ACP loads I have ever seen. Many thanks for your effort bro!
P.S. So what is your holy grail? Just curious if it's AA#2 or AA#5.
P.S. So what is your holy grail? Just curious if it's AA#2 or AA#5.
Hey Treebeard, HSMITH
Everything that got 2 1/2 or 3 stars. (Most All Pltd or Jktd bullets, a Couple of Moly Coated)
Precision 200 SWC shot VERY well and they should be able to give great results with some more load work. I had a load that did not smoke much at all but I failed to document it!!! Oh well. Write it down, dummy!( may have been AA # 5)( maybe not, but it was very accurate) If I start shooting in competition( meaning lots of bullets downrange) I will probably look seriously at working up a load with this bullet. The Bear Creek 230 TrFP shot very well, but was VERY smokey and poorly plated and dirty to handle vs the Precision bullets.
For ease of flowing through a measure, consistent charge wieghts, excellent ES & SD, velocity, and less recoil for said velocity the AA # 2 is hard to beat in the .45 ACP with 200 & 230 Gr. bullets. Gives a lot of muzzle flip with light guns and 185 Gr. bullets. A comped gun benefits as it is real nice with Berry's 185 Gr. SWC through my comped Silver Team. ( which is also heavy, of course) (A sweet shooter, which is why I tried the Witness Elite Match)
AA # 2 will leave some unburned powder until pressure gets up there.
N310 is pretty awesome for target velocities, but I don't know if it is worth the money.
AA # 5 is excellent for high velocities with 200 & 230 Gr. bullets
Universal Clays won't give the best ES or SD in the .45 but it is accurate and consistent for me. It meters pretty well and it is bulky and with it's color is easy to see in the case. I like those two things. I bought my second lb of it 2 years after my first and the wieghts by settings on my 10X powder measure were exactly the same as the first lb. WOW, not every powder can do that from lot to lot. I bought a 4 lb der at the last gun show here. It is awesome with Zero 165 Gr. JHP's in the .40 S&W and shoots well in the .45 ACP. Originally bought it for .45 Colt and it was good in that as well. Nice all around powder for good to excellent loads in many calibers.
N340 is very accurate and clean in the .45, but exspensive. Won't give top velocities even going by old data which is .4 grs. higher for a 230 Gr. bullet than the online data for N340 now. Also gives more recoil than most for the same velocity.
N320 works VERY well also. At full load level it has virtually no smoke, burns ultra clean and is very accurate although it will not give top velocities. It is also very accurate at slower speeds although the ES & SD go up and its not as clean. But again, it's exspensive. AA # 2 will do everything it will do almost as well at half the price.
I have tried - N310, Solo 1000, Titegroup, AA # 2, American Select, Clays, N320, W231, (Zip is Loaded), Universal Clays, Power Pistol, AA # 5, N330, N340, & Blue Dot (did not try my 700X which is great in .44 Spl.)(might work great?) Would like to try WST & WSF.
In .45 ACP I have had good success with Berry's 200 Gr. HP (not the 200RFN) Berry's 230 RN shoots OK, Berry's 185 Gr. SWC can be very accurate with the right combo, but seems picky.
Hornady's 200 Gr. FMJ-CT is super accurate, period.
Raniers 200 Gr. SWC is almost as good. (not Raniers 200 FP or HP or 230 gr. RN) Ranier 200 Gr. SWC in bulk from Midway with the free frieght option would be hard to beat for a good match bullet.
Zero 230 Gr. JHP shoots very well.
Precision 200 SWC shoots very well.
Bear Creek 230 TrFP shoots very well, but is as dirty to handle and as smokey as lead.
In the .40 the Zero 165 Gr JHP is serious accurate.
Raniers 155 Gr. TrFP is accurate, but is snappy at high end loads.
Berry's 180 Gr. TrFP can be very accurate and gives less recoil, especially in my XD SC.
In the 9MM the Rem 124 GS is serious accurate.
I just got some Zero 125 Gr. JHP's for the 9MM, but have not shot them yet. My EMP is at SA.
Everything that got 2 1/2 or 3 stars. (Most All Pltd or Jktd bullets, a Couple of Moly Coated)
Precision 200 SWC shot VERY well and they should be able to give great results with some more load work. I had a load that did not smoke much at all but I failed to document it!!! Oh well. Write it down, dummy!( may have been AA # 5)( maybe not, but it was very accurate) If I start shooting in competition( meaning lots of bullets downrange) I will probably look seriously at working up a load with this bullet. The Bear Creek 230 TrFP shot very well, but was VERY smokey and poorly plated and dirty to handle vs the Precision bullets.
For ease of flowing through a measure, consistent charge wieghts, excellent ES & SD, velocity, and less recoil for said velocity the AA # 2 is hard to beat in the .45 ACP with 200 & 230 Gr. bullets. Gives a lot of muzzle flip with light guns and 185 Gr. bullets. A comped gun benefits as it is real nice with Berry's 185 Gr. SWC through my comped Silver Team. ( which is also heavy, of course) (A sweet shooter, which is why I tried the Witness Elite Match)
AA # 2 will leave some unburned powder until pressure gets up there.
N310 is pretty awesome for target velocities, but I don't know if it is worth the money.
AA # 5 is excellent for high velocities with 200 & 230 Gr. bullets
Universal Clays won't give the best ES or SD in the .45 but it is accurate and consistent for me. It meters pretty well and it is bulky and with it's color is easy to see in the case. I like those two things. I bought my second lb of it 2 years after my first and the wieghts by settings on my 10X powder measure were exactly the same as the first lb. WOW, not every powder can do that from lot to lot. I bought a 4 lb der at the last gun show here. It is awesome with Zero 165 Gr. JHP's in the .40 S&W and shoots well in the .45 ACP. Originally bought it for .45 Colt and it was good in that as well. Nice all around powder for good to excellent loads in many calibers.
N340 is very accurate and clean in the .45, but exspensive. Won't give top velocities even going by old data which is .4 grs. higher for a 230 Gr. bullet than the online data for N340 now. Also gives more recoil than most for the same velocity.
N320 works VERY well also. At full load level it has virtually no smoke, burns ultra clean and is very accurate although it will not give top velocities. It is also very accurate at slower speeds although the ES & SD go up and its not as clean. But again, it's exspensive. AA # 2 will do everything it will do almost as well at half the price.
I have tried - N310, Solo 1000, Titegroup, AA # 2, American Select, Clays, N320, W231, (Zip is Loaded), Universal Clays, Power Pistol, AA # 5, N330, N340, & Blue Dot (did not try my 700X which is great in .44 Spl.)(might work great?) Would like to try WST & WSF.
In .45 ACP I have had good success with Berry's 200 Gr. HP (not the 200RFN) Berry's 230 RN shoots OK, Berry's 185 Gr. SWC can be very accurate with the right combo, but seems picky.
Hornady's 200 Gr. FMJ-CT is super accurate, period.
Raniers 200 Gr. SWC is almost as good. (not Raniers 200 FP or HP or 230 gr. RN) Ranier 200 Gr. SWC in bulk from Midway with the free frieght option would be hard to beat for a good match bullet.
Zero 230 Gr. JHP shoots very well.
Precision 200 SWC shoots very well.
Bear Creek 230 TrFP shoots very well, but is as dirty to handle and as smokey as lead.
In the .40 the Zero 165 Gr JHP is serious accurate.
Raniers 155 Gr. TrFP is accurate, but is snappy at high end loads.
Berry's 180 Gr. TrFP can be very accurate and gives less recoil, especially in my XD SC.
In the 9MM the Rem 124 GS is serious accurate.
I just got some Zero 125 Gr. JHP's for the 9MM, but have not shot them yet. My EMP is at SA.
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treebeard
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Good stuff....and thanks for your input. I need to get a chronograph!! I just ordered some AA#5 and some Universal Clays from grafs. In my experience the 185gr. bullets just don't work well for me. Just my 2 cents. I find the 200 and 230gr. bullets to be the best. I can't wait for those Precision bullets you sent me. I also have to remember that my Colt Gov't is 5" and my Dan Wesson is only 4.25" and I have seen some differences between each one. You are right about the Rainier 200gr. SWC's, their price is hard to beat as well as their accuracy. Where are you ordering your Zero bullets from?
I need to get a chronograph!! I just ordered some AA#5 and some Universal Clays from grafs. In my experience the 185gr. bullets just don't work well for me. Just my 2 cents. I find the 200 and 230gr. bullets to be the best. I can't wait for those Precision bullets you sent me. I also have to remember that my Colt Gov't is 5" and my Dan Wesson is only 4.25" and I have seen some differences between each one. You are right about the Rainier 200gr. SWC's, their price is hard to beat as well as their accuracy. Where are you ordering your Zero bullets from?There was an article in Handloader Magazine this summer about N330. R. H. VanDenburg tried it in a variety of cartidges, including .45acp, that had no published data for that powder. Like you, Mr. VanDenburg interpolated data from N320 and N340 to arrive at his load.
IIRC, his .45acp loads with N330 functioned adequately and were somewhat slower than he expected. I think the author concluded that N330 was closer to N340 than N320 in burning speed.
Nothing in the article made me want to buy a pound of N330. I'll stick with WST and N320 for 200gr bullets and Clays and N310 for 230gr bullets.
FWIW, I hear it works quite well in 9mm and .40.
Chris
IIRC, his .45acp loads with N330 functioned adequately and were somewhat slower than he expected. I think the author concluded that N330 was closer to N340 than N320 in burning speed.
Nothing in the article made me want to buy a pound of N330. I'll stick with WST and N320 for 200gr bullets and Clays and N310 for 230gr bullets.
FWIW, I hear it works quite well in 9mm and .40.
Chris
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Thanks 8ring. I will definitely try it in the 9MM.
I shot some loads with Zip this afternoon. I loaded 4.7 Grs. and a Berry's 230 Gr. RN @ 1.260 and got an AVG. 609 FPS from a 4" barrel! It was like a popcorn fart when they went off! Ramshot shows 4.7 as max on their website with a Sierra 230 Gr. JHP @ 1.240 O.A.L. for 740 FPS from a 5" barrel. I'm 100 FPS short taking into consideration the inch of barrel! It was accurate. I blew the 5th shot on the target getting careless. Was it the temp. It was 65 degrees. It showed signs of low pressure. I could go to 4.9 and see what happens, but what will it do at 80 or 90 degrees? I am going to try some WSF since HSMITH says its great for 9MM & .40 S&W and should be OK at least for .45. I think I will find out. Can't think of any others I want to try.( thank goodness) Well, mabe WST also.
Thanks 8ring. I will definitely try it in the 9MM.
I shot some loads with Zip this afternoon. I loaded 4.7 Grs. and a Berry's 230 Gr. RN @ 1.260 and got an AVG. 609 FPS from a 4" barrel! It was like a popcorn fart when they went off! Ramshot shows 4.7 as max on their website with a Sierra 230 Gr. JHP @ 1.240 O.A.L. for 740 FPS from a 5" barrel. I'm 100 FPS short taking into consideration the inch of barrel! It was accurate. I blew the 5th shot on the target getting careless. Was it the temp. It was 65 degrees. It showed signs of low pressure. I could go to 4.9 and see what happens, but what will it do at 80 or 90 degrees? I am going to try some WSF since HSMITH says its great for 9MM & .40 S&W and should be OK at least for .45. I think I will find out. Can't think of any others I want to try.( thank goodness) Well, mabe WST also.
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The ZIP data in the current Ramshot load guide for 45acp 230gr jacketed bullets is incorrect. When I wrote to ask about it, I was told that the range for ZIP should be 5.1 - 5.7 gr. The 5.7 load should put a 230gr jacketed bullet into the low to mid 800's fps. In other words, ZIP is very comparable to W231 and may allow loading to slightly higher velocities than W231.
Sierra's load manual bears this out, as does the data on the label on a bottle of ZIP (if you have an older label).
Sierra's load manual bears this out, as does the data on the label on a bottle of ZIP (if you have an older label).
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Master Blaster
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LOW velocity target loads with lead bullets = Trailboss nothing else comes close.
4.5 gr trailboss 230lrn = 750 fps, excellent target load.
4.5 gr trailboss 230lrn = 750 fps, excellent target load.
katastrof0
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I got a Norwegian Reloading manual called "Ladeboken vol 6" somewhere in my bookcase. Its considered the reloading Bible here in Norway. It covers Vith powders.
Ill try to find it tomorrow and post the 330 data IF there is any. Posting reloading data on the net is dodgy enough if i have to do it after 4 beers
Personally i use N340 for 45ACP. Its a good allround powder for most calibres. I also use it for 45LC
BB John
Ill try to find it tomorrow and post the 330 data IF there is any. Posting reloading data on the net is dodgy enough if i have to do it after 4 beers
Personally i use N340 for 45ACP. Its a good allround powder for most calibres. I also use it for 45LC
BB John
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