45 colt in a 410 shotgun

[mike6161]

i was thinking about getting a 410 shotgun and came across the taurus judge.
it got me thinking can i get a 410 shotgun and run 45 colt in it. if i got a rifled barrel.would i need i special barrel.or is this just a crazy idea.

 

[Jim Watson]

Crazy.

 

[ArmedBear]

SAAMI pressure for the .45LC is 14000 PSI. The .410 3" is 13500.

Light .45LC might work, if you just consider pressure. But there's more to it than pressure.

In a shotgun, you have a forcing cone in the barrel in front of the chamber. That will bring the diameter down to about .410". The .45LC has a .451" bullet in it, i.e. a LOT bigger. There's no rifling for the extra lead to squish into.

That doesn't seem like a good idea... Pretty big pressure spike... The .451" bullet will become a barrel obstruction. KA-BOOM!

 

[Hoppy590]

it got me thinking can i get a 410 shotgun and run 45 colt in it. if i got a rifled barrel.would i need i special barrel.or is this just a crazy idea.

NEF offered a "survivor" gun, that was a break open 410 that would fire 45lc. came with a synthetic thumb hole stock

http://www.shotgunworks.com/item/37129_HandR_Rifles/Shotguns_NEW_SB1-41N_SURVIVOR__410.aspx

 

[dfariswheel]

The point is, .410-.45 Colt firearms are specifically manufactured to ALLOW the use of both.

Standard .410 shotguns ARE NOT.

 

[ArmedBear]

The gun linked above is a rifled .45LC barrel with a creative chamber design and a removable choke tube to make it a serviceable .410 shotgun in a pinch.

The inside of that barrel, in terms of diameter and contour, does not resemble a .410 shotgun barrel.

 

[BBroadside]

I wonder:

(A) If someone could make a .410 slug (2.5" or 3"?) with ballistics a little closer to the 45 Colt. The existing slugs (at least the Remington Slugger variety) have truly strange ballistics - a projectile that is lighter and faster than 327 Magnum, but significantly wider. (I am comparing 327 handgun to 410 shotgun, though ... not quite fair.)

(B) If it would be any good to make a 454/410 chambering. 45/410 already uses a really long chamber; what's wrong with beefing the whole thing up and allowing 454 Casull? That would make a decent woodland-defense revolver; 454 Casull for black bear, 410 shot for snakes, with option for 45 Colt, 410 slugs, 410 buckshot, or even 410 flares if anyone still makes them. (Someone will probably tell us what sort of 45 Colt loads the 45/410 Taurus, D-Max, and MIL revolvers can shoot.)

 

[mike6161]

so i guess i m just crazy. I thought that would be the case so if you can not shoot 45 colt in it why would any one get a 410? can you get hot 410 slugs loads.

 

[BBroadside]

mike6161, .410 is admittedly a pretty strange caliber. Remington's slug load is 88 grains at 1830 feet per second, nothing like any other .40 or .41-caliber projectile. Closer to .30 Carbine, actually. The slug loads are hard to evaluate because their accuracy can be uncertain, particularly from a gun with no rear sight.

.410 is common in sports since it is necessary to compete in a certain variety of skeet. Also it makes a pleasant shotgun for small game. Experts can hit waterfowl with it too.

Now, comparing regular .410 to a .45/410 long gun like the NEF is something I know little about. I bet the straight .410s pattern a little better but that is only a hunch.

So, while it's been described as "the .22 rimfire of the shotgun world!" it's the opposite of .22 rimfire in that the market for it is very small, it's harder to train with than a full-sized shotgun (not easier), and the weapons are often unfamiliar and obscure (like a Western Field bolt-action repeater, or a converted Lee-Enfield single-shot, or a Saiga with a Kalashnikov action and a vertical box magazine). Still, it's an interesting chambering and I've lusted after more than a few.

 

[ArmedBear]

The .410 is a specialty load. It exists for a few reasons.

It fits where other shotshells don't, like in the modified 94 and 336 lever actions sold by Winchester and Marlin for a while, the Saiga without a big fat barrel, snake guns like H&R sells, guns like the Taurus Judge and the Bond derringer.

It's used for skeet, where it has its own competition class.

It's good for shooting rats, poaching waterfowl inside city limits, hunting squirrels at close range.

It is used to acquaint kids with shotguns, although it's a lot easier to actually hit something with a 12 Gauge and an open choke. 12 Gauge tends to scare kids away from shotguns.

It's really not a general-purpose shotgun shell like 12, 16, 20 or even 28.

 

[rcmodel]

Shotgun slugs used in smoothbores must be hollow to be stable in flight. (Like a Badminton Shuttlecock)

Or, have a long lightweight wad attached to the back end like a Brenneke slug. (sort of like an arrow)

If not, it will tumble, and you couldn't hit a barn from the inside.
That makes little ones like the .410 especially light.

It is what it is, and has a few legtimate uses it works well for.
Coyote in the barnyard, fox in the henhouse, etc.

rcmodel

 

[mnrivrat]

In order to shoot 45 Long Colt in a .410 barrel it must be overbored . This has been sorta mentioned earlier , but worth repeating.

Those guns made to shoot both are overbored for the .410 in order to accept the larger dia. of the .45 Colt. Chamber also should be slightly larger to accept the Colt cartridge.

 

[chris in va]

I'm gonna get picked apart for this, but...

Here is a VERY unscientific comparison. 45ACP and 410 full choke Pardner (I don't have a 45LC cartridge). As you can see, not even close.

 

[ArmedBear]

No picking you apart. You're right.

Like I said: barrel obstruction. Kaboom.

I just think it might happen at the forcing cone. If it didn't, it would happen at the choke. And many if not most .410's are fixed Full like that one.

 

[GigaBuist]

why would any one get a 410?

Ever seen a 50 pound boy try and shoot a 12 gauge? Me either.. glad my grandpa had a .410 laying around.